[Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Charlotte Wolter techlady at techlady.com
Tue Sep 5 18:14:46 UTC 2017


         My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that
you have to justify what you map, just because someone is
studying it by gender?

Charlotte



At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com> 
>wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female 
>hygiene > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to 
>map that, > without access to women's toilets ? > > The real 
>question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car > than 
>shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry for the > 
>stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ? > 
>will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner map 
>leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we  see or 
>do we map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see 
>everything or do we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned 
>to ? > > This is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are
> > pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.
>
>I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera
>captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.
>To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,
>the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups
>in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals
>and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have
>signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have
>signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map
>lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of
>private homes).
>The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.
>The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.
>Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a
>major street and had a clear sign out front.
>Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards
>"things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car
>store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally
>not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,
>because every playground is visible from the street.  And this
>non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was
>already mapped by the time I got started.
>
>-- Mark
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