[Talk-us] Forest Routes

Kevin Broderick ktb at kevinbroderick.com
Thu Nov 29 20:13:48 UTC 2018

Doesn't the Forest Service use FR for "Forest Road" at the reference? I'd
think that, or NFR to distinguish from state forest roads, would be the
more appropriate ref, as FS is ambiguous (it doesn't distinguish between a
forest road and a forest trail).

posted by the White Mountain National Forest, or the abbreviated form FR
2421 in the Glacier Lake Trail directions at

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 2:49 PM Jack Burke <burkejf3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh I am so happy that Frederik brought this up.  I've been thinking
> about this topic for a while, but just haven't said anything.  I love
> the ensuing discussion, too.
> So, first, the wiki page on now to tag the refs
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#National_Forest_Road_System
> says to use NFR and NFH, as Kevin Kenny does.  I use neither.  As
> others are doing, I use FS for Forest Service.  I'll note that on the
> wiki page's Discussion tab, there are several people who question the
> use of NFR/NFH, which seems to have been arbitrarily selected by one
> person and added to the wiki without any real discussion about it.
> Just to pick nits, Martijn, I'd like to point out that the example
> sign for forest road 858 on that page you linked to has "National
> Forest" on it, not FS or Forest Service.  If we were to go purely by
> the sign, we should be using NF.  The National Forest Service
> website's Interactive Visitor's Map at https://www.fs.fed.us/ivm/ uses
> exactly that in an underlay layer for those maps.
> That said, I still prefer FS because that's generally how most people
> seem to refer to them (forest service).
> Side note:  there are several forest service roads in north Georgia
> that are represented on Mapillary and OpenStreetCam, if anyone wants
> to "drive" one of them from the comfort of your living room.  (More
> are apparent on Mapillary than OSC because of the different ways those
> two services process sequences that don't have a matching OSM road.)
> --jack
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 4:03 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:51 PM Eric H. Christensen <eric at aehe.us>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:49 AM, Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think you are right. It would be good if we can arrive at a common
> >> > prefix and document it on the wiki. 'FS' makes sense. Perhaps even a
> new
> >> > page dedicated to roads that are maintained directly by federal
> agencies
> >> > (NPS, USDA, others?) would make sense. I'd be happy to help set it up.
> >>
> >> I've noticed that some of these "roads" are showing FS, FT, and another
> F something when they were imported.  Should all these ways use 'FS' or
> should they use the different prefix based upon what type of way they are
> (outside of the proper tagging for the way)?
> >
> >
> > Note that the Forest Service uses the same numbering scheme for trails,
> with 2 digit Forest Service routes being the main routes (be it a hiking
> trail or a road), 3 digit and 4 digit routes being of lesser importance in
> the overall network and usually being referred to as National Forest
> Development or NFD trails/roads.
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Kevin Broderick
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