[Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 130, Issue 3

Jay Johnson jaybird79605 at gmail.com
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>    1. Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-08-31 (Dave Hansen)
>    2. Re: Naming numbered roads as "State Route X",     "Interstate X",
>       etc. (Nathan Mills)
>    3. Re: Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X",
>       etc. (Kevin Kenny)
>    4. Re: Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X",
>       etc. (Paul Johnson)
>    5. Denver RTD's public_transport growth (OSM Volunteer stevea)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 14:34:59 +0000
> From: Dave Hansen <dave at sr71.net>
> To: <dave at sr71.net>,<talk-us at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-08-31
> Message-ID: <E1fwTSt-0007BS-G2 at errol.openstreetmap.org>
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> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>
>         http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>
> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>
> Downloads:
>
>         http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31
>
> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31/kml/kml.html
> ----
>
> FAQ
>
> ----
>
> Why did you do this?
>
>         I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
>         of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
>         cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
>         on removable media.
>
>         http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-08-31
>
> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>
>         Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
>         server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
>         side of the Atlantic.
>
> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>
>         There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
>         red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
>         want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>
> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>
>         If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
>         the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
>         file.
>
> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>
>         Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
>         in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
>         to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
>         This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
>         non-US area to get included, let me know.
>
> -- Dave
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 16:16:43 -0400
> From: Nathan Mills <nathan at nwacg.net>
> To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X",
>         "Interstate X", etc.
> Message-ID: <80A31C08-0990-446F-AA49-172FC3D87291 at nwacg.net>
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> The New Sapulpa Road situation is in practice a road with a secondary
> name. Just like Flagler Street in part of Miami (FL, not OK) is defined by
> the state legislature as being "Natan A Rok Boulevard" (or similar, working
> from memory here).
>
> My personal opinion is that if local practice and the USPS continue to use
> the old name, that name should stay in the name tag, while the
> Legislature's political name should be tagged as an alt_name. That said,
> there are situations in which most/all signage refers to the new name, in
> which case switching them makes sense. (Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in
> Fayetteville, AR being an example. Most still call it 6th Street, but the
> city, nearly all signage, and the USPS' preferred name are all "Martin
> Luther King Jr Boulevard," and they are going to keep it up until everyone
> gets with the program)
>
> Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly, it
> can sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long as
> people do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows
> better comes along in the future it will all work out in the end.
>
> -Nathan
>
> On September 1, 2018 5:28:11 PM EDT, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
> wrote:
> >On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM Peter Dobratz <peter at dobratz.us> wrote:
> >
> >To cite a specific example of how we might map something, consider the
> >town
> >> of Waldport, Oregon.
> >>
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/44.42718/-124.06667
> >>
> >> As you can see, there is a US Route 101 running north-south through
> >town.
> >> Roads north of Northwest Hemlock Street include Northwest as part of
> >their
> >> names and roads south of Northwest Hemlock Street include Southwest
> >as part
> >> of their name.  US Route 101 is currently mapped in OSM with
> >> "name=Northwest Highway 101" for the portions north of Northwest
> >Hemlock
> >> Street and "name="Southwest Highway 101" for the portions south of
> >> Northwest Hemlock Street.  If we drop the name tag from this road in
> >OSM,
> >> then we lose the Northwest and Southwest directional prefix.  I think
> >we
> >> should retain the name tags on roads like this.
> >>
> >
> >I don't.  While it is uncommon, there's other ways of handling this.
> >The
> >way should still be noname=yes in this case.
> >
> >
> >> Here is an examples of a POI along this route:
> >>
> >> https://www.grand-central-pizza.com/
> >> Grand Central Pizza
> >> 245 SW Hwy 101
> >> Waldport, OR 97394
> >>
> >> USPS standard format of the address:
> >> 245 SW HIGHWAY 101
> >> WALDPORT, OR 97394-3036
> >>
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/463377211
> >> addr:housenumber=245
> >> addr:street=Southwest Highway 101
> >> addr:city=Waldport
> >> addr:state=OR
> >> addr:postcode=97394
> >>
> >
> >And this is how you would handle addresses along such a highway.  This
> >also
> >comes up (uncommon but still happens) where the USPS has decided to
> >consider addresses with a different name than the street that frontages
> >it.  In an extreme example, there's a road in my region that has the
> >name
> >"Officer Larry W. Cantrell and Mister Charles L. Cantrell Memorial
> >Highway".  The addresses along it are all "New Sapulpa Road", the
> >road's
> >old name, presumably due to brevity.
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:28:31 -0400
> From: Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>
> To: Nathan Mills <nathan at nwacg.net>
> Cc: talk-us <talk-us at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X",
>         "Interstate X", etc.
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> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:18 PM Nathan Mills <nathan at nwacg.net> wrote:
> > My personal opinion is that if local practice and the USPS continue to
> use the old name, that name should stay in the name tag, while the
> Legislature's political name should be tagged as an alt_name. That said,
> there are situations in which most/all signage refers to the new name, in
> which case switching them makes sense. (Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in
> Fayetteville, AR being an example. Most still call it 6th Street, but the
> city, nearly all signage, and the USPS' preferred name are all "Martin
> Luther King Jr Boulevard," and they are going to keep it up until everyone
> gets with the program)
>
> Heh. Sometimes you have to wait a long time. The signage on 'Avenue of
> the Americas' in New York City has said that since the 1950's. The
> Postal Service prefers that name on street addresses.  New Yorkers
> call it Sixth Avenue, which confuses the tourists no end.  Likewise,
> to a New Yorker, Bruckner Boulevard goes over the Triboro[ugh] Bridge
> coming out of the Bronx. The signs say I-278 and Robert F. Kennedy
> Bridge. The locals never do. When asked about them, the likely
> response will be something like, 'oh, yeah, they renamed one of the
> bridges for Bobby Kennedy, didn't they?"
>
> > Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly, it
> can sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long as
> people do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows
> better comes along in the future it will all work out in the end.
>
> ^ This.  The name of a geographic feature is what the locals call it.
> Why should 150th Street be a name, but County Road 34 have to be
> relegated to noname=yes if it has no other name? (Then again, I come
> from a part of the world that has settlements named Number Four,
> Township 40, and Thirteenth Lake. Those things all started out as
> reference numbers but are now established names.)
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:16:23 -0500
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
> To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list <talk-us at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X",
>         "Interstate X", etc.
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> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 6:29 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Heh. Sometimes you have to wait a long time. The signage on 'Avenue of
> > the Americas' in New York City has said that since the 1950's. The
> > Postal Service prefers that name on street addresses.  New Yorkers
> > call it Sixth Avenue, which confuses the tourists no end.  Likewise,
> > to a New Yorker, Bruckner Boulevard goes over the Triboro[ugh] Bridge
> > coming out of the Bronx. The signs say I-278 and Robert F. Kennedy
> > Bridge. The locals never do. When asked about them, the likely
> > response will be something like, 'oh, yeah, they renamed one of the
> > bridges for Bobby Kennedy, didn't they?"
> >
>
> Reminds me of how long it took Portland to phase in Martin Luther King,
> Junior Boulevard, and old timers for various reasons (many of them rather
> reprehensible) that still call that street "Union Avenue" or even it's even
> older name, "Railroad Avenue"...
>
>
> > > Sometimes, the name really is "Highway 66" or "Route 22." Admittedly,
> it
> > can sometimes be hard to tell for sure without local knowledge. As long
> as
> > people do their best and aren't dogmatic about it when someone who knows
> > better comes along in the future it will all work out in the end.
> >
> > ^ This.  The name of a geographic feature is what the locals call it.
> > Why should 150th Street be a name, but County Road 34 have to be
> > relegated to noname=yes if it has no other name? (Then again, I come
> > from a part of the world that has settlements named Number Four,
> > Township 40, and Thirteenth Lake. Those things all started out as
> > reference numbers but are now established names.)
> >
>
> It's pretty common for county roads to not have names, only refs, though.
> Why tag twice?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 21:52:16 -0700
> From: OSM Volunteer stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com>
> To: talk-us <talk-us at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [Talk-us] Denver RTD's public_transport growth
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> I "found something rectangular" and sketched in
> http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Colorado/Railroads which we might agree (as a
> useful, communicative wiki) is "alpha-1" or so.
>
> Denver's FasTracks Lines grow, let's sync OSM and this wiki with another
> up-to-date light_rail table.  This strategy works:  Portland TriMet, meet
> California/Railroads, meet Miami/BrightLine, meet San Francisco BART, meet
> Denver RTD...and so on.
>
> Rail mapping feels like solving a crossword, good for the mind and then
> there's that volunteer spirit part, too.  Go!
>
> SteveA
>
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