[Talk-us] [Imports] Preliminary Import/Organized Mapping Effort Idea

[Clifford Snow]

I've reached out to a couple of the nearby reservations, one with a small
parcel of off reservation land trust, the other with only a small
reservation but a very large off reservation land trust. I don't expect
answers until possibly after the new year. Unlike Oklahoma, Washington
reservations are pretty straight forward. The Yakama Nation has a large
disputed area but I'm inclined to show it as reservation land. I haven't
updated it yet because the borders are tied up in multiple relations that
need undoing.

Best,
Clifford

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:42 PM David Bartecchi <dbartecchi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> All of these concerns must be weighed against the fact that the current
> absence of Native lands in OSM only contributes to the erasure Native
> Americans and their lands from the American collective conscience.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:27 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
>
>> Content warning: Aboriginal abuse mention
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:08 PM Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do have Washington State tribal lands available [1]  as a background
>>> layer for JOSM. There is also a vector tile layer [2] of the same
>>> background available for iD users.
>>>
>>> The data contains the name in english and the land type of Disputed
>>> Area, Off-Reservation Trust Land, Reservation, and Tribal Headquarters.
>>> Only 4 disputed areas but 60 Off-Reservation areas. Some people include
>>> Off-Reservation in tribal lands while others do not. My sense is that they
>>> should be tagged as boundary=aboriginal_lands. I'd like to hear the opinion
>>> of the group.
>>>
>>
>> The TLDR: I, personally, have not been including trust lands in Oklahoma,
>> for pragmatic reasons.  The situation is complicated, painful to many, and
>> politically loaded on a level where I don't think OSM should sort out trust
>> lands yet.
>>
>> I'm aware of several dozen trust exclaves, but they all fall into one of
>> three categories.
>>
>>    1. The exclave is presently unclaimed or claimed but no longer
>>    occupied by multiple tribes, and thus the status is ambiguous other than
>>    it's within BIA jurisdiction.  Most Oklahoma exclaves fall into this
>>    category, and it's really complicated.
>>    2. The exclave is claimed by one tribe but it's ability to establish
>>    a presence and primary jurisdiction is in question.  There's an exclave in
>>    Boise, OK where one of the tribes (not sure which, but pretty sure not
>>    mine) presently has plans to open a travel center and casino, however, this
>>    exclave is hundreds of kilometers from their jurisdictional area and
>>    whether or not they can even claim the exclave is nebulous.  It's
>>    effectively tribal terra nullius.
>>    3. The Chilocco Indian Residential School.  This one gets super
>>    touchy.  The school, which closed in 1980, has sat abandoned and uncared
>>    for since, yet can't be torn down without considerable red tape since the
>>    site is on the National Historic Register.  The school is currently
>>    assigned to five additional tribes in the immediate region, and they
>>    cooperatively ran a rehabilitation center for the school's victims at the
>>    site in the 1990s and 2000s, but the rehab facility has also sat abandoned
>>    since at least 2011 with no plans for the site, and the whole enclave
>>    currently is off limits to everyone, very intermittently used as a training
>>    ground for federal police agencies, further rubbing sandpaper into unhealed
>>    wounds for many.  No surprise, the original school that operated for 98
>>    years is widely criticized for most of its existence, and especially in its
>>    final decade of operation, for being little more than a concentration camp
>>    for indian children as part of the US's plan for Americanization of
>>    indians. As far as I can tell, abuse at the school was institutionalized,
>>    frequent and persistent enough it's hard not to imagine it wasn't by
>>    design.  It might as well be scorched earth.
>>
>> Add this into the fact that not all of Oklahoma's tribes (or even the
>> relevant tribes that potentially have claim to these parcels) get along
>> with each other.  Add that Governor Stitt has been talking about cancelling
>> state compacts with the tribes this month, and we're actually seeing nearly
>> unprecedented intertribal unity and cooperation right now (weird how a
>> common threat does that).
>>
>> All that said, my read on the situation?  Trying to sort out the trust
>> lands in Oklahoma is politically shaky at best for OSM, and it wouldn't
>> surprise me if similar situations are present in other states.  Offhand,
>> Pennsylvania, Oregon and Kansas all have federal indian schools presently
>> in operation (Army War College in Carlisle, Chemawa in Salem, and Haskell
>> Indian College in Haskell respectively).  Washington State had one as well
>> (Fort Simcoe), and presently has a far darker and ongoing relations with
>> the tribes in that state most readily comparable Canada's Highway of Tears,
>> but more widespread.
>>
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