[Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

[brad]

Considering the keys pointed to by Zeke, I also like winter_service=no.

There are a few US or state highways in CO which close, the tagging is 
not consistent.

US 34, Independence pass
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/627645541#map=17/39.10849/-106.55914
"motor_vehicle"="conditional=no @ winter"

US 34, Rocky mtn NP,  way 329057779
has it embedded in the name and also:
access:conditional=no @ Oct 14th - May 31st

I'd like to point out that many of the roads in the rocky mtns are not 
maintained in the winter.   That goes for almost every forest service 
road, and many county roads.   I think it's proper to leave these 
without an explicit winter tag with the implicit understanding that safe 
passage is not guaranteed.


On 1/1/20 9:50 PM, Zeke Farwell wrote:
> This looks like something that there still is not consensus on.
>
> Here are couple of roads that are not plowed in the winter in my area 
> of Vermont.  Both are tagged differently:
> Lincoln Gap Road: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19729533
> VT 108 through Smugglers Notch: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48775843
>
> Looks like we have a few different overlapping keys:
>
>   * access:conditional
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Conditional_restrictions&uselang=en-US>
>   * seasonal
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal?uselang=en-US>
>   * winter_service
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:winter%20service?uselang=en-US>
>
> winter_service=no looks like the simplest option to me, but not 
> knowing how the data will be used, the safest bet is probably to put 
> /"closed in winter"/ right in the name as is the case with VT 108.  
> It's not correct data modeling, but it will mean people looking at a 
> map are sure to see it.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:10 PM Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bill.n1vux at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     > Burlington Family Rescued After GPS Leads Minivan Down
>     Snowmobile Path. BURLINGTON (CBS)
>     > It was an early morning rescue by ATV Sunday in Jefferson, New
>     Hampshire.
>     > ... The family was stranded on Jefferson Notch Road, which is
>     restricted to snowmobiles only during the winter months.
>     > 2 days ago
>     >
>     https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/12/29/burlington-family-stranded-after-following-gps-onto-snowmobile-trail
>
>     Yeah, I'm not surprised that a road that goes literally through
>     Jefferson Notch isn't plowed in the winter; the road's high point
>     in the notch (aka "col" or "saddle," the diminutive of "pass") is
>     3,009 feet (917 m), only barely below the height of Mount Mitten
>     (929 m) which the road passes, and lower than Currier Mtn (838 m)
>     just beyond.  Yeah that's not high in young mountains, but at this
>     latitude, that altitude gets plenty snow. I expect even the winter
>     snowmobile path through the notch should be attempted only by
>     parties of multiple experienced operators prepared for mountains'
>     changeable conditions.
>
>     (I'm guessing the gating/bollards will get upgraded so that only
>     snowmobiles, Cats, and emergency 4WD/6WD even /can/ enter during
>     winter.)
>
>     In the summer, this road will provide a lovely if challenging
>     shortcut between US 2 and US 302, of which there are precious few
>     in the environs of Mt Washington and the Presidential Range of the
>     White Mountains.
>
>     OSM -
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/18846225#map=12/44.3103/-71.3696
>     Our way does not (as of this writing) show a tag indicating
>     seasonally variable access.
>     Proposed tagwinter_service=no
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:winter_service%3Dno&action=edit&redlink=1>
>     isn't quite strong enough but would be a start.
>
>     What is the right way to tag a road which is 3 season dramatic
>     automobile mountain short-cut and one-season snowmobile trail?
>
>
>     -- 
>     Bill Ricker
>     bill.n1vux at gmail.com <mailto:bill.n1vux at gmail.com>
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