[Talk-us] Delete "Contiguous United States"?

[Eric Patrick]

You'd be surprised by the amount of Americans who don't even know what
"contiguous states" are or mean.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:44 AM Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org> wrote:

> Agreed. Thanks for pointing it out Frederik. Only formalized
> administrative entities should be modeled as OSM admin boundaries. Even if
> there’s really no ambiguity about what comprises the “lower 48” or the
> “contiguous US”, these colloquial names don’t, as a general rule, have a
> place in OSM. (We could go into a whole argument “but what about
> neighborhoods”) but perhaps that’s for another thread / time :))
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 08:35, Ian Nicholson <ian at binaryash.net> wrote:
>
> Agreed. The definition of contiguous US belongs in Wikipedia not OSM.
>
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive any errors in my spelling or
> grammar.
>
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 08:42, Zeke Farwell <ezekielf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> 👍 Deleting seem appropriate to me.  Doesn't seem any more valuable than
> the Interstate highways mega relation we deleted a while ago because
> relations aren't categories.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 9:27 AM Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The object in question is composed as a boundary containing the entire
>> perimeter of the lower 48 states, that's why it's an 800+ member relation.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 8:58 AM Eric Patrick <txemt1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Contiguous United States is only 48 states, not 800+.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 04:05 Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> today I happened upon a relation called "Contiguous United States"
>>>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9331155) and tagged as an
>>>> administrative boundary.
>>>>
>>>> I would recommend to delete this relation because:
>>>>
>>>> 1. There is no administrative entity called "Contiguous United States".
>>>> The "Contiguous United States" has no legal persona and no government.
>>>> It cannot therefore be an "administrative boundary".
>>>>
>>>> 2. As far as I know, the "Contiguous United States" is simply a group of
>>>> states. As such, it does not have its own boundary. If, say, the
>>>> maritime boundary of Florida were to change, then the "Contiguous United
>>>> States" boundary would also change. Hence, if it *were* modeled in OSM,
>>>> it should be modeled as group of states and not as an individual
>>>> geometric form.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Like any of these giant multipolygon and boundary relations, it
>>>> complicates editing - anyone splitting, say, a way on the US-Canadian
>>>> border will not only have to upload new relation versions for the US,
>>>> Canada, and the states/provinces involved, but also a new version of the
>>>> 800+ member "Contiguous United States". That's why this relation is
>>>> meanwhile at version 270 without a lot having *actually* changed.
>>>>
>>>> If it were my home turf I'd just go ahead and delete it but since it's
>>>> not, I'll limit my actions to this post and leave any further actions or
>>>> inactions to you.
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>> Frederik
>>>>
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