[Talk-us] Delete "Contiguous United States"?

Wed Feb 16 17:04:02 UTC 2022

Or…alt_name=“Continuous United States”...

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 9:33 AM, Eric Patrick <txemt1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You'd be surprised by the amount of Americans who don't even know what "contiguous states" are or mean.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:44 AM Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org <mailto:m at rtijn.org>> wrote:
> Agreed. Thanks for pointing it out Frederik. Only formalized administrative entities should be modeled as OSM admin boundaries. Even if there’s really no ambiguity about what comprises the “lower 48” or the “contiguous US”, these colloquial names don’t, as a general rule, have a place in OSM. (We could go into a whole argument “but what about neighborhoods”) but perhaps that’s for another thread / time :))
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 08:35, Ian Nicholson <ian at binaryash.net <mailto:ian at binaryash.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed. The definition of contiguous US belongs in Wikipedia not OSM. 
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive any errors in my spelling or grammar.
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 08:42, Zeke Farwell <ezekielf at gmail.com <mailto:ezekielf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 👍 Deleting seem appropriate to me.  Doesn't seem any more valuable than the Interstate highways mega relation we deleted a while ago because relations aren't categories.
>>> 
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 9:27 AM Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com <mailto:zelonewolf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> The object in question is composed as a boundary containing the entire perimeter of the lower 48 states, that's why it's an 800+ member relation.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 8:58 AM Eric Patrick <txemt1 at gmail.com <mailto:txemt1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> The Contiguous United States is only 48 states, not 800+. 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 04:05 Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org <mailto:frederik at remote.org>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> today I happened upon a relation called "Contiguous United States"
>>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9331155 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9331155>) and tagged as an
>>> administrative boundary.
>>> 
>>> I would recommend to delete this relation because:
>>> 
>>> 1. There is no administrative entity called "Contiguous United States".
>>> The "Contiguous United States" has no legal persona and no government.
>>> It cannot therefore be an "administrative boundary".
>>> 
>>> 2. As far as I know, the "Contiguous United States" is simply a group of
>>> states. As such, it does not have its own boundary. If, say, the
>>> maritime boundary of Florida were to change, then the "Contiguous United
>>> States" boundary would also change. Hence, if it *were* modeled in OSM,
>>> it should be modeled as group of states and not as an individual
>>> geometric form.
>>> 
>>> 3. Like any of these giant multipolygon and boundary relations, it
>>> complicates editing - anyone splitting, say, a way on the US-Canadian
>>> border will not only have to upload new relation versions for the US,
>>> Canada, and the states/provinces involved, but also a new version of the
>>> 800+ member "Contiguous United States". That's why this relation is
>>> meanwhile at version 270 without a lot having *actually* changed.
>>> 
>>> If it were my home turf I'd just go ahead and delete it but since it's
>>> not, I'll limit my actions to this post and leave any further actions or
>>> inactions to you.
>>> 
>>> Bye
>>> Frederik
>>> 
>>> -- 
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