[Talk-us] Fonts

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

The bare minimum that's required for highway shields is for a route
relation which has a network+ref combination that can be unambiguously
associated with a particular highway shield.  What's preferable is if each
network value corresponds to a single shield design, for example, US:PA
corresponds to a white keystone with a black outline.  Since the shield
generation code is in javascript, it's possible to code any special case of
course, but in general we've found that the 1:1 relationship between shield
blank and network value seems to hold with only a handful of exceptions.
So far these are the PA turnpike segments that have no ref, and two Georgia
state routes that each have a different color shield because they're
Appalachian corridor routes.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 5:59 PM Eric Patrick <txemt1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those states who use a different shield for toll roads vs free roads,
> is that something that can be looked at as well? Texas colors the shields
> in red, white, blue for those roads that are toll, while all others are
> black and white. There are a few exceptions like the Sam Houston Tollway
> around Houston. You can also include the Florida Turnpike in this as well.
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 5:20 PM Elliott Plack <elliott.plack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Paul, great point. Taking a look at how Apple Maps handles their state
>> shields
>> <https://www.justinobeirne.com/google-maps-apple-maps-highway-shield-icons>,
>> they appear to use Helvetica in place of Highway Gothic, or one of the open
>> variants. At that scale it is hard to tell other than at a side by side
>> comparison level. I think Helvetica would probably be fine for this purpose
>> if it matches the 'style' of US-type shields at a 12pt scale (ish).
>>
>> Google Maps vs. Apple Maps: U.S. State Highway Shield Icons
>> (justinobeirne.com)
>> <https://www.justinobeirne.com/google-maps-apple-maps-highway-shield-icons>
>>
>> Thanks for the comment!
>>
>> - Elliott
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 4:55 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 3:06 PM Elliott Plack <elliott.plack at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great work Brian and Collaborators! I too would love to see those
>>>> shields use the FHWA standard  Highway Gothic - Wikipedia
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic> fonts where applicable.
>>>> They should be public domain as works of the US Federal Government.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure it'll work in a lot of cases...if only because some shields
>>> interior size is pretty small, and Highway Gothic is a pretty chunky sign
>>> font really not designed to scale down to small sizes on screens.
>>> Clearview does slightly better at small on-screen sizes but is also a
>>> chunky sign font that doesn't work great as a screen font.  I think the
>>> current version has a pretty acceptable compromise in terms of appearance
>>> while still being a font that's actually legible when small.
>>>
>>> There's very few sign fonts that also work as screen fonts; they're
>>> rather opposite goals.  Helvetica's the only one that comes to mind.
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