[OSM-Talk-ZA] Some elaborate fantasy/ proposed changes added

[Gerhardus Geldenhuis]

Hi John,
You see to have taken the neccesary steps to contact the user privately to
resolve the issue and to get a bit more clarity with regards to what he/she
were trying to do. I would say the next course of action would be to
potentially get the OSM admins involved to contact the user and/or flag all
future edits for the user to be reviewed. I am happy to contact the user
privately if you want to see if it could be resolved amicably. If he/she
does not respond at all then following steps in the vandalism link you
included would probably be the way forward.

The problem of data quality is always going to be looming in the background
and I believe more mature processes will develop to safeguard data quality
as OSM matures. There is people that are uploading  professionally surveyed
data so the quality can be very high. I believe that the vast majority of
people have good intentions and want it to be a better map. There is a
careful balance to be struck between encouraging new users and pointing out
problems with their contributions. The problems you describing does not
sound like new user problems though.

I have just myself reviewed contributions from other individuals to areas
on the SA map to which I have contributed weeks of my time mapping. One
tends to become very attached when having spend so much time ensuring good
quality mapping. I would certainly not appreciate any wrong data in my
areas of mapping.

Regards


On 12 May 2013 20:00, John <john.vez at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that if they are proposed or Under Construction they can be added
> and marked as such. That adds value. It may also be that that is the
> intention and there is a lack of knowledge. This is why I marked the main
> portion of the Alexandra Rd example as Construction and then sent a message
> to the author.
>
> My concern is that this may be just someone "having fun" or doing some
> University research to see how long it takes to fix problems like this in
> OSM. I think like other Wiki type systems this is always a threat. If
> anything this would fall under vandalism rather than dispute. Refer
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
>
> I don't want to jump to the wrong conclusion and therefore wanted to check
> with others on the user group who know the areas in which changes have been
> made.
>
> Here is my opinion of what I have seen:
>
> In all the examples the proposals are certainly possible although some are
> more elaborate than I would expect, all are future. If this is honest or
> "playing" I can't say. Perhaps someone else on the list has some insight or
> has possible noticed changes in other areas which they are familiar with.
>
> The first example, Alexandra,  is certainly proposed although I would be
> surprised to see such an elaborate intersection on Nelmapius.
>
> Vd Bijl extension may also be proposed and parts of the way shown have
> construction started. My guess without source given is that some fantasy is
> included.
>
> Glen Austin interchange IMHO almost definitely fantasy. Some of the
> current roads has even been deleted.
>
> Midstream road again could be proposed, but could also could be imagined.
>
> Here is another example:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.94185&lon=28.13667&zoom=16&way=217841674This road has been doubled and leads over the highway to the road to
> Olifantsfontein. All NEW, proposed??
>
> My current suspicion is vandalism but I would be very happy to be proved
> wrong.
>
> OSM is currently a great source of map data. With the increased need for
> "off-line" data with Smart phone apps etc., OSM is an obvious choice. The
> problem is that users are more easily chased away by bad data than won
> back, ask any marketer. Therefore we need to find ways to jealously guard
> quality. I was recently in Mozambique without roaming and OSM data (OSMAND)
> was great!!
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> On 12 May 2013 1:53 AM, "Gerhardus Geldenhuis" <
> gerhardus.geldenhuis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I am not sure what the issues are. The roads seems to be correctly tagged
> but I don't live in the area so don't know. If they are only proposed roads
> and is marked as such that is fine.
>
> If you feel that mapping from the user is blatantly wrong then read this:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes
>
> Regards
>
>
> On 11 May 2013 22:50, John <john.vez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > 1) A few weeks ago I noticed on OSMAND that a proposed portion of
>> > Alexander Rd had been mapped...
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