[Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project & UK FOIactrequest update.

Clive Galway evilc at evilc.com
Thu Nov 10 00:50:28 GMT 2005


Read my argument. I argued specifically that since you can manually
enter lat long OR click on the map using my program, how can they prove
it ?
Also, my program allows import of points and paths from a GPS unit. So,
theoretically, if you GPSed a road or a river - surveyed it yourself, so
to speak, then just overlayed it on their map, how do they own it ? It
existed before it entered the google map, was unchanged by being added
to it - my code has plot routines that accepts coordinates as the raw
lat/long WGS84 coords so all I am doing is drawing points and lines in
javascript on a background that happens to be provided by google.
See an example here:
http://www.evilc.com/phpbb/gmaps.php?action=seek&seekmode=location&locat
ion_id=46
That is a GPS trace of a race track I took using a pocketpc running
chitigps with a Bluetooth GPS unit. chtiGPS spat out a CSV file of the
trace and I copy and pasted that into a textbox on my site, hit submit
and it added that line. How can anyone but me own that data ?

>Clicking on the map creates a derived work.
>
>Typing in a GPS-sourced point doesn't.
>
>Since you don't provide any UI for users to type in a lat/long or
>easting/northing numerically, a lawyer will, very reasonably, assume 
>that at least some of your points came from clicking on the map.
>
>We've been through this countless times now... you're not the first. :(
>
>Richard


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[mailto:openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
Fairhurst
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Subject: Re: [Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project & UK
FOIactrequest update.

On 9 Nov 2005, at 23:45, Clive Galway wrote:

> Are you serious ??
> If I obtain lat/lng cords from my GPS unit and punch those in to my
> program, it will overlay them on a google map. Does google in any way
> own that data ? No. In my system, you can just as easily click a point
> on the map to add a location just as easily. When you submit a point 
> and
> add it to the database there is no way to tell whether it came from a
> gps unit or you clicked on the map - all that is stored in my database
> is the latitude and longitude.

Clicking on the map creates a derived work.

Typing in a GPS-sourced point doesn't.

Since you don't provide any UI for users to type in a lat/long or 
easting/northing numerically, a lawyer will, very reasonably, assume 
that at least some of your points came from clicking on the map.

We've been through this countless times now... you're not the first. :(

Richard


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