[Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project & UKFOIactrequest update.

[Clive Galway]

Oops, mangled link-
http://www.evilc.com/phpbb/gmaps.php?action=seek&seekmode=location&locat
ion_id=46
My outlook is messing up, make sure the location_id=46 is on the end.
I read the google API terms of use
(http://www.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html ) and no-where does it say
it owns any data you enter.
Mainly because google doesn't supply a mechanism for storing points.
All the google API does is let you add stuff to a google maps background
in a window on your own site. As long as you don't charge people to view
the site or do other dodgy things like terrorism etc then it's pretty
much up to you what you do with it and google lays no claim to any data
you may add to a google-served map on your site using the API. The data
is hosted by you, the map tiles by google.


-----Original Message-----
From: openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk
[mailto:openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clive Galway
Sent: 10 November 2005 00:50
To: openstreetmap at vr.ucl.ac.uk
Subject: RE: [Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project &
UKFOIactrequest update.

Read my argument. I argued specifically that since you can manually
enter lat long OR click on the map using my program, how can they prove
it ?
Also, my program allows import of points and paths from a GPS unit. So,
theoretically, if you GPSed a road or a river - surveyed it yourself, so
to speak, then just overlayed it on their map, how do they own it ? It
existed before it entered the google map, was unchanged by being added
to it - my code has plot routines that accepts coordinates as the raw
lat/long WGS84 coords so all I am doing is drawing points and lines in
javascript on a background that happens to be provided by google.
See an example here:
http://www.evilc.com/phpbb/gmaps.php?action=seek&seekmode=location&locat
ion_id=46
That is a GPS trace of a race track I took using a pocketpc running
chitigps with a Bluetooth GPS unit. chtiGPS spat out a CSV file of the
trace and I copy and pasted that into a textbox on my site, hit submit
and it added that line. How can anyone but me own that data ?

>Clicking on the map creates a derived work.
>
>Typing in a GPS-sourced point doesn't.
>
>Since you don't provide any UI for users to type in a lat/long or
>easting/northing numerically, a lawyer will, very reasonably, assume 
>that at least some of your points came from clicking on the map.
>
>We've been through this countless times now... you're not the first. :(
>
>Richard


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-----Original Message-----
From: openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk
[mailto:openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
Fairhurst
Sent: 10 November 2005 00:15
To:
openstreetmap at vr.ucl.ac.ukopenstreetmap@vr.ucl.ac.ukopenstreetmap at vr.ucl
.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project & UK
FOIactrequest update.

On 9 Nov 2005, at 23:45, Clive Galway wrote:

> Are you serious ??
> If I obtain lat/lng cords from my GPS unit and punch those in to my
> program, it will overlay them on a google map. Does google in any way
> own that data ? No. In my system, you can just as easily click a point
> on the map to add a location just as easily. When you submit a point 
> and
> add it to the database there is no way to tell whether it came from a
> gps unit or you clicked on the map - all that is stored in my database
> is the latitude and longitude.

Clicking on the map creates a derived work.

Typing in a GPS-sourced point doesn't.

Since you don't provide any UI for users to type in a lat/long or 
easting/northing numerically, a lawyer will, very reasonably, assume 
that at least some of your points came from clicking on the map.

We've been through this countless times now... you're not the first. :(

Richard


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