[Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project & UKFOIactrequest update.

Clive Galway evilc at evilc.com
Thu Nov 10 02:28:20 GMT 2005


Well there is no facility to enter lines yet via the gui, so all lines
entered into that program are OK then. You could even upload all
openstreetmap's roads into my program using the paste CVS box, view them
against the google maps background - by your argument, that's OK,
because you own the tracks. You can then see which roads you have
missed, even mark out with markers who is claiming which patch to do the
traces (ie allocating areas to people to do traces of, keeping track of
who is tracing which areas) - as long as all you do is upload traces as
a reference and only use the original traces for the real openstreetmap,
not any points you have plotted via the GUI. Lol, thinking about it the
site doesn't even have to be visible to the internet. It runs just fine
on my windows PC using WAMP (A windows LAMP stack) and pulls map tiles
from google through my firewall - theres probably no way google could
even know what you are overlaying onto their maps seeing as all they are
gonna see is map tile jpegs being streamed to a pc behind a firewall :P
I am gonna do what I am gonna do for now, I am just trying to put the
idea to you guys that this may be a useful tool for helping you collect
and visualize your data - In public or not...

 

-----Original Message-----

From: openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk
[mailto:openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
Fairhurst

Sent: 10 November 2005 01:24

To: openstreetmap at vr.ucl.ac.uk

Subject: Re: [Openstreetmap] Coders needed for similar project &
UKFOIactrequest update.

 

On 10 Nov 2005, at 00:46, Clive Galway wrote:

 

> Read my argument. I argued specifically that since you can manually 

> enter lat long OR click on the map using my program, how can they 

> prove it ?

 

They can't prove it for one single point.

 

But for an aggregation of data, which I'd guess is what you're trying 

to achieve, they can argue very convincingly that some users will have 

clicked on the map to enter points - since you provide a UI for them to 

do exactly that.

 

This makes your database a derived work, especially as you say (in your 

earlier e-mail) that "there is no way to tell whether it came from a 

gps unit or you clicked on the map - all that is stored in my database 

is the latitude and longitude".

 

It's not just Steve and me who think this. Take a look at 

http://www.kingston.ac.uk/gis/ppt/EDINA05.pdf , particularly page 16.

 

> Also, my program allows import of points and paths from a GPS unit. 

> So, theoretically, if you GPSed a road or a river - surveyed it 

> yourself, so to speak, then just overlayed it on their map, how do 

> they own it ?

 

They don't.

 

No-one is claiming that Google ownz0rs your GPS tracks. No-one is 

claiming that Google owns information just by virtue of you 

superimposing it on their map.

 

Rather: I have just used your map to add a point for 'the end of Elms 

Road' in Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire. I did this by clicking on the 

point on Google Maps at the end of Elms Road.

 

This entered a latitude of -1.6153764724731 and a longitude of 

52.800945232281 into your form. I then clicked 'Save'. This wrote it to 

your database. (I was, of course, wrong in my previous e-mail when I 

said there wasn't a way to type in lat/longs directly - sorry.)

 

Your database now contains material which is (c) TeleAtlas, Google's 

map supplier: the material in question being that "the end of Elms Road 

is at -1.6153764724731, 52.800945232281". Your database is now a 

derived work from TeleAtlas. A few more of these and you won't be able 

to legally redistribute it without their permission.

 

Google Maps' terms of use aren't relevant - they do not overrule 

TeleAtlas's rights under UK statute law.

 

Richard

 

 

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