Andy Robinson Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk
Sat Apr 1 17:52:47 BST 2006

Of course I'll vote with Colin here, however I don't yet feel as if I am a
second class citizen. On the contrary, by speaking up I hope I ensure that
the makeup of any OSM organisation is both democratic and sensible.

It is not for any individual to say what the format of the organisation is
or who has what stake or otherwise, well that is assuming Steve is happy to
let it out from his own grasp. I'm confident he is, as it has to have a
managed future and he I am sure will be the first to acknowledge that he,
and we, want the project to succeed on a wider scale.

I also don't like to read the sort of emails that try to make a split
between different groups, coders or data gatherers or whatever. The point is
that in reality only a few people will be happy to devote their time and
energies to organisation. The sorts of roles I talked about for my swimming
club are the same in any volunteer type organisation, it's just the names
that change. Regardless, a set of perhaps 10 or so individuals need to be
happy to take on responsibilities and nobody should be narrow minded enough
to think they can all come from any particular "group". The reality is they
will come out of the woodwork, and many may not be either coders or data
gatherers, they might just be willing volunteers. If you want a say, you get
a voice as a member. If you want to change something, you have to be part of
the actual management structure. Simple as that.

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
>bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ben Gimpert
>Sent: 01 April 2006 13:22
>To: talk at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCE: OSMF
>Nah, you're right.  I'm just worried about the OSMF codifying our current
>focus -- on getting the data *now*, and worrying about programming and
>hosting "later."
>This is the cause of our performance headaches, and has (at least)
>limited the project's apeal.  I don't even want to think about how many
>people were turned off by the state of the editing applet during those
>first few months of OSM!
>Of course I wouldn't expect OSM's excellent data gather-ers to be
>*literally* excluded.  I just really, really hope they listen to
>Steve... ;)
>And just to nit-pick, this project would *most certainly* be something
>without the data gatherers.  The wiki map of the world is much bigger than
>folks submitting GPS tracks.  Please see "http://www.headmap.org/".
>		Not even in the class,
>		Ben
>On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 10:50:58AM +0100, Colin Mackay wrote:
>> On 01/04/06, Ben Gimpert <ben at somethingmodern.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm hesitant because I still tend to think those doing coding and
>> > admin should trump data gatherers.
>> So the data gatherers - without whom this project would be nothing
>> regardless of all the coding and admin - sit up and think "WTF! I'm not
>> going to be treated as second class. Sod that for a packet of cheese
>> crackers! I'm out of here!"
>> Regards,
>> Colin 'Second Class' Mackay.
>> PS. I'm a software developer by nature - I've just not done any Java so
>> not willing to mess up the code base as I learn. I would more likely
>> contribute .NET (C#) code to the project if people are interested.
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