Andy Robinson Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk
Mon Apr 3 16:59:46 BST 2006

SteveC wrote:
>Sent: 03 April 2006 16:50
>To: Lars Aronsson
>Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ANNOUNCE: OSMF
>* @ 31/03/06 04:06:23 AM lars at aronsson.se wrote:
>> SteveC wrote:
>> > > Alfred Nobel, Bill Gates, and Jimbo Wales have all gone this way.
>> >
>> > Um... The last one is slightly more complex, I thought they had members
>> > voted on by the community - that's what I was aiming for.
>> No, even Lukashenko's Belarus has a better voting procedure than
>> Wikipedia.  There is no registered membership in Wikipedia, no
>> checks that the voters are real people.  You can be voted down by
>> a dozen sock puppets. And nobody is going to vote Jimbo out of his
>> chairmanship. Jimbo's choice of the foundation model was very
>> controversial among the German Wikipedia community, and the German
>> Wikimedia chapter was thus organized as a membership association
>> (eingetragene Verein) instead.
>> As for the comment (by someone else) that everything is fine now,
>> I disagree.  Without having met you, Steve, I estimate that your
>> genius is 80% technical innovator and 20% organizer.  For the best
>> of OSM, others should take care of the administration and you
>> should be allowed to keep your mind on the technical, visionary,
>> and innovative parts.
>That's not true, unless you consider organisation of the IoW trip a
>total disaster or something.
>Having read the thread it seems a simple slow start is appropriate.
>I propose an IRC meeting in #osm on irc.oftc.net on Thursday at 7pm BST
>if most of us can make that? Purpose is to at least

Thursday is actually a bad evening for me. Wednesday would be better.
However if Thursday is the better day for everyone else I'll make
arrangements to be on hand for the discussion, albeit that I need to refresh
my IRC skills!

>  * decide on roles, at least a finance role
>  * decide on what the mandate(s) of the role(s) are
>  * decide on the voting procedure for that role(s) presuming anyone
>    wants to actually do them
>If someone can volunteer to summarise / log the thing and post to the
>My POV is that there are two immediate things that'd be useful now we
>have servers and (hopefully) hosting. Someone to sysadmin the machines
>and someone to do finance so people can be comfortable donating
>(although the amount of money that's passed my hands over the IoW makes
>me think that some of you must trust me :-).
>As far as costs breakdown: The google ads have pulled in something like
>1-2$ / day which pays for domain registration and other small bits. The
>ads will probably get pulled as the university has a non-commercial
>hosting policy. The immediate need for (money for) computers has passed
>with a bit of luck.  I can't really afford to speak at all the
>conferences I'm invited to long term even if I walk there and sleep in
>public parks but it doesn't add up to super amounts. I'd expect to have
>to break these things down publicly.
>have fun,
>SteveC steve at asklater.com http://www.asklater.com/steve/
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Andy Robinson
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