[OSM-talk] Resign as a secretary (was: The long tail)

[David Groom]

Dear Imi

I would ask that you please reconsider your decision.  You have contributed 
so much to the OSM community that it really would be a sad loss if you were 
to leave.

If as you say "There are too much differences in the understanding of 'free' 
between Steve and me."  then I would sat that is all the more reason for you 
to have a major input into the new OSMF, as then you and Steve would 
represent two different points of opinion, both of which probably have large 
support from the various contributors to OSM.  If only one "side"  is 
represented then there can not be a lively debate about what the OSMF is to 
be and how the whole project moves forward.

I am sorry if you feel that the differences between you have got so large as 
to make you feel you have to resign as Secretary.  All I can say is that 
sometimes with email communication, particular across a mailing list rather 
than one to one, the tendency is to conserve time and in doing so write in a 
way that may exaggerate differences.

Regards

David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Immanuel Scholz" <immanuel.scholz at gmx.de>
To: <talk at openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Resign as a secretary (was: The long tail)


> Hi,
>
> I hereby resign as my (not yet elected anyway) position as a 
> OSMF-secretary.
>
> There are too much differences in the understanding of "free" between
> Steve and me.
>
> I am not yet sure whether I will be active in the rest of the OSM
> community or not. (But if not, JOSM sources/binaries will be available for
> a long time for anyone to grab and continue my work).
>
>
>> In a private email, Imi sent this which he's agreed I can publish:
>>
>>>> Then there are the bad server performance problems.
>>>> Next was, that there are privacy issues.
>>>> Then some concerns about forking projects came up.
>>>> Now you say that you are threatened by the gouvernment to close down
>>>> the server. When asked for evidence you just answer that we all agree
>>>> with you anyway.
>>
>> Which are the reasons he thinks I'm mad, and he also thinks that I'm
>> trying to control the database and not release it.
>
> Steve came up with other excuses every time I asked for a database dump. I
> didn't said he is mad, but accused him of lying and not giving out the
> database for false excuses.
>
>
> (Now we can add a new item to the list: "But you all know that
> distributing the data is bad - think of the bicycle-webcam-example."
> Sorry, but I cannot stand this crap anymore.)
>
>
>
>>>> Next was, that there are privacy issues.
>>
>> Yes. There are deep privacy issues. I used to volunteer for an
> ...
> [long stuff about CCTV, bicycles and why we would not want to make the
> data open]
> ...
>
> Sorry, but bullshit.
>
> All contributors released their data under the terms of CC-by-sa.
>
> "...Licensor hereby grants You a ... license to exercise the rights in the
> Work as stated below:
> - to reproduce the Work, to incorporate the Work into one or more
> Collective Works, and to reproduce the Work as incorporated in the
> Collective Works;"
>
> So by uploading the data, everybody WANT the data to be free. Also please
> do not say that we originally should not want to distribute it for some
> political reason you made up with your prof.
>
>
> [long stuff about a mail full of copyrighted postcodes]
>
> So what? Only because you received a mail from someone unknown full of
> copyrighted data, you conclude that it must be OS guys?
>
> Maybe it was someone want to help you, sent you data he found and got awed
> because he didn't realized it was illegal to do so? Maybe not..
>
> Anyway, projects like this will always have to live with people submitting
> copyrighted data. (That's one of the problems distributing planet.osm
> without information about specific data origin - if something is
> corrupted, you have to delete the whole planet.osm).
>
>
> Ciao, Imi.
>
>
>
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