[OSM-talk] Resign as a secretary (was: The long tail)

[Etienne]

I have written a private email to Imi asking him to reconsider and making
some of the same points that David does.

Etienne

On 7/6/06, David Groom <reviews at pacific-rim.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Imi
>
> I would ask that you please reconsider your decision.  You have
> contributed
> so much to the OSM community that it really would be a sad loss if you
> were
> to leave.
>
> If as you say "There are too much differences in the understanding of
> 'free'
> between Steve and me."  then I would sat that is all the more reason for
> you
> to have a major input into the new OSMF, as then you and Steve would
> represent two different points of opinion, both of which probably have
> large
> support from the various contributors to OSM.  If only one "side"  is
> represented then there can not be a lively debate about what the OSMF is
> to
> be and how the whole project moves forward.
>
> I am sorry if you feel that the differences between you have got so large
> as
> to make you feel you have to resign as Secretary.  All I can say is that
> sometimes with email communication, particular across a mailing list
> rather
> than one to one, the tendency is to conserve time and in doing so write in
> a
> way that may exaggerate differences.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Immanuel Scholz" <immanuel.scholz at gmx.de>
> To: <talk at openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:58 PM
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Resign as a secretary (was: The long tail)
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I hereby resign as my (not yet elected anyway) position as a
> > OSMF-secretary.
> >
> > There are too much differences in the understanding of "free" between
> > Steve and me.
> >
> > I am not yet sure whether I will be active in the rest of the OSM
> > community or not. (But if not, JOSM sources/binaries will be available
> for
> > a long time for anyone to grab and continue my work).
> >
> >
> >> In a private email, Imi sent this which he's agreed I can publish:
> >>
> >>>> Then there are the bad server performance problems.
> >>>> Next was, that there are privacy issues.
> >>>> Then some concerns about forking projects came up.
> >>>> Now you say that you are threatened by the gouvernment to close down
> >>>> the server. When asked for evidence you just answer that we all agree
> >>>> with you anyway.
> >>
> >> Which are the reasons he thinks I'm mad, and he also thinks that I'm
> >> trying to control the database and not release it.
> >
> > Steve came up with other excuses every time I asked for a database dump.
> I
> > didn't said he is mad, but accused him of lying and not giving out the
> > database for false excuses.
> >
> >
> > (Now we can add a new item to the list: "But you all know that
> > distributing the data is bad - think of the bicycle-webcam-example."
> > Sorry, but I cannot stand this crap anymore.)
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> Next was, that there are privacy issues.
> >>
> >> Yes. There are deep privacy issues. I used to volunteer for an
> > ...
> > [long stuff about CCTV, bicycles and why we would not want to make the
> > data open]
> > ...
> >
> > Sorry, but bullshit.
> >
> > All contributors released their data under the terms of CC-by-sa.
> >
> > "...Licensor hereby grants You a ... license to exercise the rights in
> the
> > Work as stated below:
> > - to reproduce the Work, to incorporate the Work into one or more
> > Collective Works, and to reproduce the Work as incorporated in the
> > Collective Works;"
> >
> > So by uploading the data, everybody WANT the data to be free. Also
> please
> > do not say that we originally should not want to distribute it for some
> > political reason you made up with your prof.
> >
> >
> > [long stuff about a mail full of copyrighted postcodes]
> >
> > So what? Only because you received a mail from someone unknown full of
> > copyrighted data, you conclude that it must be OS guys?
> >
> > Maybe it was someone want to help you, sent you data he found and got
> awed
> > because he didn't realized it was illegal to do so? Maybe not..
> >
> > Anyway, projects like this will always have to live with people
> submitting
> > copyrighted data. (That's one of the problems distributing planet.osm
> > without information about specific data origin - if something is
> > corrupted, you have to delete the whole planet.osm).
> >
> >
> > Ciao, Imi.
> >
> >
> >
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