[OSM-talk] The OSM Applet - let's ditch it for JOSM (was: Mapping Reading, some impressions)

[Collinson Mike]

And in Australia, we get up to all our mischief 
while you European gentlemen are supposed to be sleeping :-)

Tom, would I be summarising you correctly by 
saying that you talking about "Phase Two" 
mapping?:  An area has already got most of the 
roads mapped in. A user should be able to locate 
that area in a web-browser without drama and 
without knowing lat/lon.  They then eyeball a 
location and click, select "Pub" and then fill in 
the Pub form. [And from your original mail, 
alternatively click on something to correct or 
expand in a similar form-driven manner.]

That would work in Oz where we don't have SBAS 
and are only working at roughly 15m 
accuracy.  What is the feeling in Europe?  A post 
box placed in such a manner would be on the right 
side of the road, correctly topologically placed 
between road junctions but might be 30m-100m out 
in lateral location. Acceptable?  For me, yes, if 
the OSM map can get me close enough to see it, the objective is satisfied.

Mike


At 12:41 PM 6/09/2006, Tom Chance wrote:
>Ahoy,
>[I wish I could get to sleep :( ]
>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 02:33, Collinson 
>Mike wrote:> At 02:34 AM 6/09/2006, Tom Chance 
>wrote:> >But then people like my friend would be 
>likely to load the web page> >and add odd things 
>like pubs, post boxes, etc. For example I'd 
>love> >to have an interactive map of "green 
>Reading" a bit like the Green> >Brighton site, 
>based on OSM data, and allowing people to enter 
>new venues.> >A web-based interface that helped 
>people add small-scale data like> >missing road 
>names, amenities, etc. and all in a very 
>intuitive> >manner might be something to aim 
>for?>> All the current edit functionality is 
>somewhat focused on adding> linear 
>features.  Would there be any demand for a 
>"non-technical"> HTML form-based interface where 
>one could enter a single latitude and> 
>longitude, select "Pub" from a drop-down list, 
>then be prompted to> fill in any values 
>appropriate to a a pub, like 'name' ? I'd be 
>happy> to contribute that in Perl.>> Tom, how 
>would your friend know/record where the pub is> 
>located?  Using a GPS device with a display and noting down the position?
>Going by this conversation with one friend (so 
>fetch your large pinch of salt) I'd suggest that 
>a lot of people would just guess. For example, 
>there's a pub on the corner of these two roads, 
>or this already-entered road is called 'Sleepy 
>Street'. With Reading we have increasingly good 
>coverage of the basic data (i.e. roads), but 
>people might like to enter additional data that 
>can be done relatively easily without a GPS 
>device, such as:* bus lanes, bus routes, bus 
>stops and the routes they serve* cycle lanes & 
>footpaths inc. those little access paths in 
>residential areas* all kinds of amenities, 
>leisure facilities, etc. that are just nodes
>I would have thought that, given the scope for 
>general errors in the system, the errors 
>introduced by educated guesswork would be 
>negligible, at least in areas with dense road 
>patterns? I suppose countryside featres might be 
>a bit wayward if they were the product of 
>guesswork! There would also, no doubt, be a 
>worry about less 'dedicated' people entering data who might be less careful.
>For my part I'm inviting friends to tell me of 
>features and if I have the time (perhaps 
>including a necessary cycle ride) I add it for them :o)
>Regards,Tom
>-- The task of critique is not to denounce the 
>ideals, but to show their transformation into 
>ideologies, and to challenge the ideology in the 
>name of the betrayed ideal (Fromm ­ Beyond The Chains Of Illusion)
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