[OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 88

[lewispusey]

Thansk for the replies, I've requested the rerendering. the area was 
43.62 -72.14 or thereabouts; I'll ledt you know if it's not successfull. 
Finally found the tiles at home server which was very enlightening and good 
work.
Lewis
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>   1. Re: historic planet files (Robert T Wyatt)
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>   3. Re: seeing my changes (lewispusey)
>   4. win32 binaries for mapnik (Artem Pavlenko)
>   5. Rendering (lewispusey)
>   6. Re: seeing my changes (David Groom)
>   7. Re: seeing my changes (Frederik Ramm)
>   8. Re: [OSM-dev] win32 binaries for mapnik (Andy Robinson)
>   9. Re: Unordered segments (Martijn van Oosterhout)
>  10. Re: Topology (was: OSM the mediocre alternative) (Schuyler Erle)
>  11. JOSM updates (Frederik Ramm)
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:54:06 -0500
> From: Robert T Wyatt <robert.wyatt at mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] historic planet files
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> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>    does anyone have "historic" planet files available? I would like to
>> build something that creates an animated gif for a selectable area,
>> showing how data there progressed over time. For that I need all the old
>> planet dumps I can get.
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>
> That's a cool idea! Let us know when we can see it!
>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:56:25 -0400
> From: Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt at metacarta.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Updating map display server
> To: lewispusey <lewispusey at earthlink.net>
> Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
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> On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 10:00:13AM -0400, lewispusey wrote:
>> The area I'm working (43. -72.) hasn't been updated for over a month, I 
>> believe. I was wondering how often this process occurs? It would be 
>> usefull to see what type of effects my chnges have had and what else 
>> needs fixing.
>
> There's
> http://labs.metacarta.com/osm/?lat=5381027.46673&lon=-8051754.67814&zoom=11&layers=B00
> , which is up to date as of the last planet, and renders on the fly.
> (But that's only mapnik, not osmarender/t at h style.)
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> Christopher Schmidt
> MetaCarta
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:15:07 -0400
> From: "lewispusey" <lewispusey at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] seeing my changes
> To: <talk at openstreetmap.org>
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> Well none of my changes over six weeks are visible in either layer for 
> that same period. One was briefly visible for an few minutes yesterday. I 
> doubt this is on my end.
> Thanks.
> Lewis
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:18:02 +0100
> From: Artem Pavlenko <artem at mapnik.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] win32 binaries for mapnik
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> Just in case someone interested :
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> http://mapnik.org/news/2007/apr/27/win32_binaries/
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> Artem Pavlenko
> http://mapnik.org
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:21:52 -0400
> From: "lewispusey" <lewispusey at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Rendering
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> OK, checked the article more fully.
> Sorry.
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> From: "David Groom" <reviews at pacific-rim.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] seeing my changes
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> Lewis
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> Whereabouts  are you editing?  A URL from www.informationfreeway.org  (see 
> the permalink link at the bottom right of the page) would be useful
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> David
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>  Well none of my changes over six weeks are visible in either layer for 
> that same period. One was briefly visible for an few minutes yesterday. I 
> doubt this is on my end.
>  Thanks.
>  Lewis
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:30:29 +0200
> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] seeing my changes
> To: lewispusey <lewispusey at earthlink.net>
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> Hi,
>
>> Well none of my changes over six weeks are visible in either layer
>> for that same period.
>
> I checked the area (-72.9,42.9)-(-73.1,43.1) and there is no data
> there. Absolutely nothing. Zilch. What exactly have you entered or
> changed? Can you give a more precise description than "42. -73"?
>
> Is this:
>
> http://labs.metacarta.com/osm/?
> lat=5381027.46673&lon=-8051754.67814&zoom=11&layers=B00
>
> not your data?
>
>> One was briefly visible for an few minutes yesterday. I doubt this
>> is on my end.
>
> It is difficult to debug the situation without knowing what we should
> be looking for!
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> -- 
> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49?00.09' E008?23.33'
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:45:10 +0100
> From: "Andy Robinson" <Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] win32 binaries for mapnik
> To: "'Artem Pavlenko'" <artem at mapnik.org>, "'OSM org'"
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> Artem Pavlenko wrote:
>>Sent: 27 April 2007 4:18 PM
>>To: OSM org; dev
>>Subject: [OSM-dev] win32 binaries for mapnik
>>
>>Just in case someone interested :
>>
>>http://mapnik.org/news/2007/apr/27/win32_binaries/
>>
>
> Nice one. I'll certainly give it a go next week when I get some time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> Andy Robinson
> Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk
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>
>>Artem Pavlenko
>>http://mapnik.org
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>>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:58 +0200
> From: "Martijn van Oosterhout" <kleptog at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Unordered segments
> To: " Dirk-L?der Kreie " <osm-list at deelkar.net>
> Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
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> On 4/27/07, Dirk-L?der Kreie <osm-list at deelkar.net> wrote:
>> In my opinion it's not the incomplete flag, but that JOSM cannot somehow
>> cope with ways that have been downloaded in several steps. Somehow it
>> just patches the new stuff on, instead of rebuilding the way from the
>> data now available.
>
> The thing is, I've looked at the code and the problem that's occuring
> simply Shouldn't Happen (tm). The problem is basically that somehow
> multiple nodes with the same ID appear and some get attached to the
> right object and some don't.
>
> I still don't understand the download merging process enough yet to
> really look into it, but I'm thinking of piling in the debug info and
> try to work out where it's going wrong...
>
> Have a nice day,
> -- 
> Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog at gmail.com> http://svana.org/kleptog/
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> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:13:36 -0700
> From: Schuyler Erle <schuyler at nocat.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Topology (was: OSM the mediocre alternative)
> To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org, Christopher Schmidt
> <crschmidt at metacarta.com>
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> * On 27-Apr-2007 at  2:28AM PDT, Frederik Ramm said:
>>
>> >Do you have any examples that don't involve a difference in altitude
>> >or z-index? I can't think of one. :-/
>>
>> But thinking this further, you end up at the very  same point I
>> postulated, that you cannot simply assume that two  things meeting
>> somewhere in lat/lon do actually meet logically - in  my description
>> you would have to explicitly select the object you are  dealing
>> with, and in a layered world you would have to select the  layer.
>
> I have thought very hard about this and I have to agree. The only
> thing that OSM seems to concretely need topology for is modelling
> connectivity of transport networks.
>
> Topology introduces enormous complexity in spatial processing, and
> will slow down storage and querying in a spatial database by at least
> an order of magnitude, even with appropriate caching. With that in
> mind, I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense to store feature
> geometries as simple geometries, but continue to represent transport
> network intersections as separate objects (as OSM currently does).
> This approach might make it possible or even easy to model attributes
> of the intersection, such as turn restrictions and the like.
>
> SDE
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:55:02 +0200
> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] JOSM updates
> To: Talk Openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>
> Message-ID: <46326326.6040005 at remote.org>
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> Hi,
>
>    I have commited a few changes to JOSM in the past few days, most
> notably a complete rewrite of the "Reorder Way" command (by Ed
> <eai at opencoding.net>) that will also change the direction of segments if
> that helps creating a continuous way. The new command also refrains from
> creating a change action if nothing was changed, so you can now just
> "select all" and then "reorder ways", and it will only upload ways that
> have changed.
>
> Details here:
>
> http://josm.eigenheimstrasse.de/wiki/ChangeLog
>
> The changes will be available in josm-latest.jar tomorrow morning (it
> rebuilds nightly.)
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> -- 
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