[OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] "Unsurfaced road" and "Byway"?
Jo
ml at winfix.it
Tue Dec 18 14:05:48 GMT 2007
Andy Allan wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2007 1:06 PM, Ulf Lamping <ulf.lamping at web.de> wrote:
>
>
>> Maybe a proposal done at the beginning of the cycle related tagging
>> would have end up with a much wider acceptance of the currently very UK
>> specific tags
>>
>
> Oh shut up, seriously. I don't appreciate FUD.
>
> How on earth is the tagging UK specific?
> National Cycle Network
> Regional Cycle Network
> Local Cycle Network
>
> I carefully made sure that every tag I added was completely generic.
> They are so generic the problem is people trying to work out how they
> apply to the UK (i.e. what consitutes a "UK regional network"). And
> funnily enough, it's used around the world in different countries and
> nobody who is actually using them has said they are UK centric.
>
> The reason it's taken off in the UK so much is that we have a few
> extremely dedicated cycle route mappers who have done the vast
> majority of the routes. Just read the user diaries to see some of them
> in action. If there's nobody in a given country interested in doing
> the mapping, voting on the tags is hardly going to make them appear.
>
> Don't use the cycle tagging as a strawman argument to "prove" that
> voting is the only way things can work. Argue your case on its merits.
>
> Andy
>
I'm a newbie here. Just arrived a month or two ago. When I saw the map
features where being voted upon, I thought: nice, everybody has a voice
here. Once agreement has been found, everybody can start using the tags.
Good system. The reason why I'm willing to spend a fair bit of my time
on this project, is because I [hope/want to believe] it will one day be
useful. Not only to draw maps (both general and for very specific
purposes), but also for routing and many other purposes that I can't
imagine right now. Maybe comparing how many fuel stations each country
has per square kilometer or how the brands of fuel distributors are
distributed in the different countries. Good thing most of them are
tagged with a consistent tagging system. I'd prefer to see this for all
amenities, shops, POIs, etc.
This is only going to happen if we keep it structured though.
Bureaucracy to reach this goal is not bad in and of itself. Bureaucracy
is only bad when its only purpose has become to keep itself going.
I don't really care what tags I'm using, as long as I know that what I'm
using is the same thing the guy next door and the guy on the other side
of the planet is using. So voting on them seems useful to me. We're not
voting because we like to vote so much, but because we want this project
to be as useful as possible.
Here in Belgium, we don't have an ncn or an rcn, but then it's a very
small country. I guess we could just use rcn all over the place and
forget ncn and lcn exist. I must admit that I had started to believe
that this way of tagging cycle routes was very UK specific. That it was
the way it's done in the UK. Just like Ulf seems to be believing.
Polyglot
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