[OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30

Fri Feb 9 16:50:40 GMT 2007

I'm using the applet on firefox on linux and used instructions from Ubuntu
forums, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java also using automatix seemed 
like the way to go and that it
specifically tweaks the firefox java, it made my installation work. It seems 
to be faster than windoz.
Lewis
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>   1. OSM mentioned in todays Computerworld Norge page 13
>      (Petter Reinholdtsen)
>   2. Re: OSM mentioned in todays Computerworld Norge page 13
>      (Andy Robinson)
>   3. Osmarender4 slippy map (preview) (Frederik Ramm)
>   4. Re: prohibited manoeuvres (Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany))
>   5. Re: Osmarender4 slippy map (preview) (Dirk-L?der Kreie)
>   6. Re: Osmarender4 slippy map (preview) (Steve Chilton)
>   7. Re: Osmarender4 slippy map (preview) (80n)
>   8. Any way to reduce editor applet on-screen resolution?
>      (Steve Bromwich)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:40:34 +0100
> From: Petter Reinholdtsen <pere at hungry.com>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM mentioned in todays Computerworld Norge page
> 13
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
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>
> I'm happy to report that I managed to get OpenStreetmap.org mentioned
> in todays issue of Computerworld Norge.  They are doing a double page
> on GIS and map technology based on a ESRI user conference a few weeks
> ago, and OSM is mentioned related to this.  Even included a picture of
> the Oslo map, and a few quotes from me. :)
>
> The story is not on the web yet, but should show up on
> <URL:http://www.computerworld.no/> eventually.
>
> Friendly,
> -- 
> Petter Reinholdtsen
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:52:30 -0000
> From: "Andy Robinson" <Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mentioned in todays Computerworld Norge
> page 13
> To: "'Petter Reinholdtsen'" <pere at hungry.com>,
> <talk at openstreetmap.org>
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> Nice work Petter :-)
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> Cheers
>
> Andy
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> Andy Robinson
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
>>bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Petter Reinholdtsen
>>Sent: 09 February 2007 12:41 PM
>>To: talk at openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM mentioned in todays Computerworld Norge page 13
>>
>>
>>I'm happy to report that I managed to get OpenStreetmap.org mentioned
>>in todays issue of Computerworld Norge.  They are doing a double page
>>on GIS and map technology based on a ESRI user conference a few weeks
>>ago, and OSM is mentioned related to this.  Even included a picture of
>>the Oslo map, and a few quotes from me. :)
>>
>>The story is not on the web yet, but should show up on
>><URL:http://www.computerworld.no/> eventually.
>>
>>Friendly,
>>--
>>Petter Reinholdtsen
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:56:32 +0100
> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Osmarender4 slippy map (preview)
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID: <D2507EE5-699E-4634-A44A-4505D879B545 at remote.org>
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>
> Hi,
>
>    with some help from Jochen I have now managed to use Osmarender4
> with the tiles at home scripts to generate slippy map tiles. I have
> rendered portions of Karlsruhe, London, and Cambridge, and put them
> on a slippy map for you to view:
>
> http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/slippymap/
>
> For a better old-new comparison, the "+" layer switch button in the
> top-right corner can be used to switch between the old Osmarender map
> (from the dev server) and the Osmarender4 tiles provided by my server.
>
> The styles (XML files for Osmarender4) that have been used can be
> downloaded here
>
> http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/slippymap/mapfeatures.tgz
>
> I have tried to emulate the look of the old maps as far as possible;
> some things still look different because Osmarender4 renders things
> that were previously ignored, and I fiddled around a bit to make it
> look ok.
>
> (Among the major changes are, as far as I remember, bridges/tunnels,
> light rail+tram, much better text rendering along streets - where
> still imperfect, that's often due to wrong order of segments - and
> rendering of unwayed segments at zoom levels 14 and finer.)
>
> I would like to get the Osmarender4 modifications for tiles at home into
> production use as soon as possible. The tiles are similar enough not
> to force us to re-render the whole world at once when that happens,
> but I guess there will nonetheless be an effort to replace old-style
> tiles quickly. I will deploy the changes to SVN, and participiants in
> the tiles at home rendering will then be asked to upgrade their
> software. (@OJW: do you think we should add a version parameter to
> the upload script, so that the API can reject uploads with missing/
> too old version code?)
>
> I think there are quite some strange things about the slippy map
> layout as it is currently, especially the change in style between
> levels 13 and 14, but also some font size decisions and what is and
> is not rendered at various zoomlevels. However, I would rather not
> get into a full-blown discussion about that now (perhaps a good thing
> to discuss at the proposed Oxford meeting?); for now, I really opt
> for emulating the existing style without thinking too much about it.
> Otherwise we'll never get the Osmarender4 slippy map off the ground.
>
> So my question to you is: Do you see anything in the above examples
> that is uglier than it was before, or so different that it breaks
> something, or any other reason why we shouldn't go ahead with this?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> -- 
> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49?00.09' E008?23.33'
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:58:36 +0100
> From: "Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany)"
> <openstreetmap at ostertag.name>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] prohibited manoeuvres
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID: <200702091358.37161.openstreetmap at ostertag.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Friday 09 February 2007 13:00, Lars Aronsson wrote:
>> A Morris wrote:
>> > Hi Lars, I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here? You can't
>> > just take a set of mapped segments/ways and redraw them to your liking.
>> > If the road layout happened to be as I drew it, then that's how it
>> > needs
>> > to be recorded.
>>
>> You have to convince me that such a case actually exists, where
>> two cars drive after each other in the same lane, but one is not
>> allowed to turn left because it entered this lane from a different
>> street than the other one.  I fail to see how such a traffic rule
>> could be enforced.  What does the traffic sign look like, that
>> informs the driver of this situation?
>
> What about two different tracks for 2 different trains?
>
> -- 
> J?rg (Germany, Munich)
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:23:55 +0100
> From: Dirk-L?der Kreie <osm-list at deelkar.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Osmarender4 slippy map (preview)
> To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID: <45CC75EB.7010305 at deelkar.net>
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> Frederik Ramm schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>>     with some help from Jochen I have now managed to use Osmarender4
>> with the tiles at home scripts to generate slippy map tiles. I have
>> rendered portions of Karlsruhe, London, and Cambridge, and put them
>> on a slippy map for you to view:
>>
>> http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/slippymap/
>
> Very nice. I had planned on tackling that myself, but got sidetracked by
> the other tiles at home aspects. (optimizations, bugfixes)
>
>> The styles (XML files for Osmarender4) that have been used can be
>> downloaded here
>
> I hope they are in svn/roduction soon :)
>
>> I would like to get the Osmarender4 modifications for tiles at home into
>> production use as soon as possible.
>> The tiles are similar enough not
>> to force us to re-render the whole world at once when that happens,
>> but I guess there will nonetheless be an effort to replace old-style
>> tiles quickly. I will deploy the changes to SVN, and participiants in
>> the tiles at home rendering will then be asked to upgrade their
>> software. (@OJW: do you think we should add a version parameter to
>> the upload script, so that the API can reject uploads with missing/
>> too old version code?)
>
> I'd like a version on the Request api, too, so outdated clients don't
> even get work from the queue.
>
>> So my question to you is: Do you see anything in the above examples
>> that is uglier than it was before, or so different that it breaks
>> something, or any other reason why we shouldn't go ahead with this?
>
> The ugly black stuff between London and Karlsruhe has to go ;-)
> everyting else looks like it's good to go.
>
> Dirk-L?der "Deelkar" Kreie
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:48:24 +0000
> From: Steve Chilton <S.L.Chilton at mdx.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Osmarender4 slippy map (preview)
> To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>, talk at openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID:
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> Looks excellent. Go ahead with implementing I say.
> The enhancement of things like the text alignment and bridges make it so
> much neater at zoomed in levels.
> One small change I noticed is that there is a difference in how
> residential streets render.
> In time available I can't pin down exactly what it is but ends of
> cul-de-sacs have changed from rounded to squared off tone for the
> abutter.
> I think it is that res highways are now square at a dead end and rounded
> where it butts to a different road-type, and it is more logical (to me)
> to be the opposite of this.
> Something in both versions that might be tweakable (pedantic, but I
> notice it) and that is that the symbol for golf courses is considerably
> stretched in the vertical plane (ie it is too tall), and looks wrong.
> I am sure analysis of the zoom layers, features, text, symbols, etc will
> all be covered in detail at carto meet shortly.
>
> Cheers
> STEVE
>
> Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow
> Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager
> School of Health and Social Sciences
> Middlesex University
> phone/fax: 020 8411 5355
> email: steve8 at mdx.ac.uk
>
> Chair of the Society of Cartographers:
> http://www.soc.org.uk/
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5413010.stm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:57 PM
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Osmarender4 slippy map (preview)
>
>
> Hi,
>
>    with some help from Jochen I have now managed to use Osmarender4
> with the tiles at home scripts to generate slippy map tiles. I have
> rendered portions of Karlsruhe, London, and Cambridge, and put them
> on a slippy map for you to view:
>
> http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/slippymap/
>
> For a better old-new comparison, the "+" layer switch button in the
> top-right corner can be used to switch between the old Osmarender map
> (from the dev server) and the Osmarender4 tiles provided by my server.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:30:29 +0000
> From: 80n <80n80n at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Osmarender4 slippy map (preview)
> To: "Frederik Ramm" <frederik at remote.org>
> Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID:
> <8fcd02310702090630u7b9a04f3v80f4bb5490afd548 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On 2/9/07, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>     with some help from Jochen I have now managed to use Osmarender4
>> with the tiles at home scripts to generate slippy map tiles. I have
>> rendered portions of Karlsruhe, London, and Cambridge, and put them
>> on a slippy map for you to view:
>>
>> http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/slippymap/
>>
>> For a better old-new comparison, the "+" layer switch button in the
>> top-right corner can be used to switch between the old Osmarender map
>> (from the dev server) and the Osmarender4 tiles provided by my server.
>
>
>
> Looks very good to me.
>
>
> The styles (XML files for Osmarender4) that have been used can be
>> downloaded here
>>
>> http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/slippymap/mapfeatures.tgz
>>
>> I have tried to emulate the look of the old maps as far as possible;
>> some things still look different because Osmarender4 renders things
>> that were previously ignored, and I fiddled around a bit to make it
>> look ok.
>>
>> (Among the major changes are, as far as I remember, bridges/tunnels,
>> light rail+tram, much better text rendering along streets - where
>> still imperfect, that's often due to wrong order of segments - and
>> rendering of unwayed segments at zoom levels 14 and finer.)
>>
>> I would like to get the Osmarender4 modifications for tiles at home into
>> production use as soon as possible. The tiles are similar enough not
>> to force us to re-render the whole world at once when that happens,
>> but I guess there will nonetheless be an effort to replace old-style
>> tiles quickly. I will deploy the changes to SVN, and participiants in
>> the tiles at home rendering will then be asked to upgrade their
>> software. (@OJW: do you think we should add a version parameter to
>> the upload script, so that the API can reject uploads with missing/
>> too old version code?)
>>
>> I think there are quite some strange things about the slippy map
>> layout as it is currently, especially the change in style between
>> levels 13 and 14,
>
>
> This is basically just a matter of unfinished work.  I revamped levels 12
> and 13 to look more optimal but have not yet had the time to rework levels
> 14 through 17.  They are all based on the original rules file and have not
> been adjusted to look their best at each level.
>
>
> but also some font size decisions and what is and
>> is not rendered at various zoomlevels. However, I would rather not
>> get into a full-blown discussion about that now (perhaps a good thing
>> to discuss at the proposed Oxford meeting?); for now, I really opt
>> for emulating the existing style without thinking too much about it.
>> Otherwise we'll never get the Osmarender4 slippy map off the ground.
>>
>> So my question to you is: Do you see anything in the above examples
>> that is uglier than it was before, or so different that it breaks
>> something, or any other reason why we shouldn't go ahead with this?
>
>
> Letter boxes are now being rendered which is good, but they use the same
> icon as post offices which is bad.  But this is a minor point, don't let
> this hold you back.
>
>
>
> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
>> --
>> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49?00.09' E008?23.33'
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:12:45 -0400 (AST)
> From: Steve Bromwich <osm at fop.ns.ca>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Any way to reduce editor applet on-screen
> resolution?
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> Hi,
>
> I seem to have a problem with the Yahoo imagery timing out as it downloads
> in the on-line editing applet. It starts downloading quickly, does three
> columns of Yahoo imagery, then slows down for the next few tiles, and
> usually stops after 6 tiles. I don't know if there's a timeout in the code
> that's set too low or what. However... The resolution of the applet
> (900x700) is such that most of the display is off the screen. I think if I
> could reduce the applet size to something smaller, say 800x400, I'd be
> able to do more.
>
> As it is, I have to keep clicking between the view and edit tabs and drag
> the slippy map a few pixels over, then hope that I can get enough imagery
> downloaded to map out another hundred metres or so of coastline. This is,
> to say the least, somewhat tedious. I tried running the applet locally on
> my machine (by saving edit.html to /tmp and wgetting the jars) to see if I
> could see anything obviously awry but for some reason it didn't want to
> run - the Java console complained about AWT, which I don't know anything
> about. If someone could give me some suggestions on the best direction to
> go I'd be most grateful.
>
> I'm running this on a Linux laptop with Firefox 2.0.0.1 and Sun's Java 5
> package.
>
> Cheers, Steve
>
>
>
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