[OSM-talk] advertising

Ray Booysen raybooysen at rjb.za.net
Sun Jul 1 16:59:39 BST 2007

On 7/1/07, Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
> On 30 Jun 2007, at 14:25, David Earl wrote:
> At the moment it looks like a fault. But if these things proliferate all
> over the Europe home page, then what a first time viewer will see is a
> map full of adverts, not a map of collaborative effort. I think this is
> a shame and devalues the project.
> Look, these things aren't going to proliferate all over Europe or fill up
> the map. That's just gratuitous FUD.

How would we know?  If one year ago I had said that we would have ads on the
map I would have been dismissed saying thats just FUD.

I hear you all about wanting the map to be Free and pure. Really, I do. On
> the other hand I note that only two of you are foundation members.

Umm, what?   I don't understand how this plays a part in the conversation?

And that we didn't see all this time and effort when we were looking for
> people to help organise the conference. So, instead of talking about
> deleting all your data or how bad it is, why don't you volunteer to organise
> fundraising? It's really easy to send angry negative emails to the list and
> it's much harder to volunteer and make things happen.

It seems its easier to work on and commit geolocated adverts than emailing
the list and checking on ideas or comments regarding adverts on the map.
I've been contributing to the project for just shy of a year and this is the
first time I've seen what looks like a "dictatorial" use of power in OSM.
We all would like to help out but on occasion it is not possible.  Simply
placing adverts which you would have to admit is a contentious issue without
as much as an email before doing so (the email 30 minutes before deployment
to the foundation members doesn't count) shows very little consideration to
the other members' feelings on the issue.

We seem to vote or converse on all other issues regarding OSM, so why is
this any different?  I work on developing maps, spend time creating GPX
files, nodes, ways and segments and this somehow means I can't complain
because I don't also work in other areas?

Its hard to be cynical of OSM when this is the way the system is treated.


We'd all love your help organising fundraising, especially given all the
> time we've spent organising the conference. Who's going to step up?
> have fun,
> SteveC | steve at asklater.com | http://www.asklater.com/steve/
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Ray Booysen
raybooysen at rjb.za.net
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