[OSM-talk] AND donate entire street network of Netherlands to OSM

paul youlten paul.youlten at gmail.com
Thu Jul 5 07:35:52 BST 2007

Martjin forgot to point out that global warming and rising sea levels makes
all the NL data quite worthless.

Steve, frankly, if you import this data into OSM you will probably be liable
for hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of lovely dutch people and
children drowning as they try to cycle down roads that are flooded. Have you
checked with your lawyers? I hope for your sake that the International Court
at The Hague is inundated before they arrest you for genocide.

In future can you please focus on mountainous countries like Nepal and Peru
that are less likely to be flooded?

thanks for listening

Paul Y
p.s: has anyone else notices that: "OpenStreetMap Foundation" is an an
anagram of "Nasty Steve's map destroy humans" [if you add a few letters]?

On 7/5/07, D Tucny <d at tucny.com> wrote:
> On 05/07/07, Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 4 Jul 2007, at 20:34, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/4/07, Immanuel Scholz <imi at eigenheimstrasse.de> wrote:
> > >> Really, I try not to be skeptical, but what do they have from "making
> >
> > >> their map available" (hope this is read as in "releasing the stuff
> > >> under
> > >> CC-By-SA, not something crippled like the Yahoo affair?)
> > >
> > > It was suggested on IRC that it may have to do with:
> > > 1. AND is not the biggest provider on NL.
> > > 2. The NL govt was opening up the road maps within 2 years anyway.
> > > (This was well known, the delay was so companies like these
> > > (teleatlas) had a chance to change business. AND has now
> > > short-circuited this and hopefully caught their competitors off
> > > guard).
> > >
> > > In other words, the value of the NL road network to them was already
> > > not very large. Maintaining it costs money and there's no long terms
> > > gains to be made. This way they generate good will, relieve themselves
> > > of a maintainence burden and hopefully get a head start on data for
> > > other countries where it's not so easy.
> > >
> > > It's all guesswork though.
> > >
> > > I'm waiting for the fine-print.
> >
> > If people like you weren't such fuckwits, people like me would work
> > harder on OSM.
> >
> > I mean honestly, why would anyone pour their heart and soul in to
> > things like this if this is the response you get?
> >
> > Why don't you sad, deprived, negative people try and push something
> > original and new forward rather than crapping all over something that
> > you don't have the will or imagination to do?
> >
> > You dumb fucks, if anyone listened to you we'd just phone up AND and
> > tell them we don't even want their help. Please just fuck off.
> Hi,
> I read the mail from kleptog as being a discussion on the reasons AND
> would be doing this... AND is a business and it wouldn't make good business
> sense to give their assets away without having a plan... kleptog discussed
> the changing environment of street data in the Netherlands and how this may
> have influenced AND into taking the step to joining OSM... Whatever AND has
> regarding plans for the future business, the fact that they've seen the
> benefits of joining OSM and offering up their data showing they are serious
> about the project is a good thing... I didn't read kleptog's mail as having
> a negative tone or in some way trying to hurt the project, I just read it as
> a reasonably free from emotion analysis of the information available...
> I guess you are under a good deal of stress at the moment, I know that you
> have been personally working on quite a lot for the project at the moment,
> and there have been a number of very negative posts in different threads,
> sometimes aimed at you personally... But, especially here, especially with
> this reply, maybe it could prove more useful to try to hold off on replies
> like this, take some deep breaths, re-read what has been said and try to
> respond in a much calmer way... Please try to calm down a little, it's good
> that you are so passionate about the project, but, I don't think replies
> like this really help anyone and the feelings you were obviously feeling
> while writing it can't be good for your health...
> d
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