[OSM-talk] will we be nuked from orbit?

Nick Black nickblack1 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 11:22:51 BST 2007


On 7/25/07, Immanuel Scholz <imi at eigenheimstrasse.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > JOSM installation and usage is still much more difficult than it
> > could/should be. For example, I've implemented a Win32 JOSM installer
> > and asked how to integrate it into an automated build process but
> > got no response, so I've stalled this for now.
>
> Oh.. If you wrote me, than I am sorry, I cannot remember to read a mail
> about that. It probably got spam filtered :-O.
>
> I was happy that someone started providing a windows installer for JOSM,
> but after it became outdated, I thought he/she just lost interest. I
> have to admit I didn't asked further who did it..
>
>
> > It seems that the potential 90% user base of windows users is just
> > not interesting for our developers ...
>
> Well, the reason is a different one: I haven't got a Windows-Box
> regulary online to run InnoSetup regulary and I don't know a linux way
> to build a windows installer.
>
> And every "Java installer" I found wasn't less complicated than "place a
> jar anywhere and double click it". Maybe except of Webstart, but even
> then you have to have already Java5 installed.
>
>
> > The spirit in the OSM developer community unfortunately still seems
> > to be: I'll do the cool new stuff and someone else probably will take
> > it and make it easy and shiny.
>
> No. I think I did many thinks to make JOSM more easily used by beginners
> since it got used more and more by non-experts. Keep in mind that it was
> not designed in the first place to be a newbie-Tool (or else it would be
> a JavaScript Application running in IE and Firefox).

Another screencast that includes the new JOSM feautres would be
awesome... We still have a Rails book to give away as a prize from the
conference ;-)

>
> And I think sites like http://www.informationfreeway.org/ and
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/ are very shiny and easy to use.
>
>
> > P.S: BTW: Easy to use doesn't mean advanced features are not
> > available. It does mean that even advanced features can be used
> > intuitive, e.g. without experimenting an hour or reading the manual
> > three times!
>
> There are people swearing that the HCI of GIMP is the world's best.
> There are people swearing that GIMP is the worst piece of GUI disaster
> ever coded.
> I guess there are as many "GUI-experts" as there are Applications.
>
>
> Ciao, Imi.
>
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