[OSM-talk] Map Features / International

Andy Robinson Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk
Tue Jul 31 11:41:16 BST 2007

Frederik Ramm wrote:
>Sent: 31 July 2007 11:24 AM
>To: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: [OSM-talk] Map Features / International
>    I think that our map features page is too English (or maybe too
>German, depends on who edited it last...). Either we need to
>encourage more national tagging, or we must start removing cultural
>dependencies from Map Features (at the risk of making it less usable).
>For example, there's the "shop" section, with an entry:
>"shop=bakery: selling bread, cakes..."
>I know that bakeries in Germany usually sell both bread and cakes. (I
>think I remember that bakeries in the UK tend to sell funny stuff
>with lots of meat inside as well... or was that in Cornwall only?)
>But in France, you have a patisserie (seeling cakes) and a
>boulangerie (selling bread).
>So this is not about the *names* of things, it is not a simple matter
>of translation; other countries have different *kinds* of shops (or,
>more generally, amenities). Another example is the "pub/cafe/
>restaurant" distinction that we're using. What is what? In Italy (at
>least those little bits of Italy I have visited), the predominant
>type of "cafe" is called a "bar" and must not be confused with the
>German or English "bar" (where you would not normally have breakfast,
>would you?)...
>I'm not an expert at all in these "cultural" things, but it is
>obvious to me that Map Features currently describes what's compatible
>with those countries doing most of the mapping. Which is ok as long
>as we make it very clear to everybody that they should please invent
>new tags for their cultural idiosyncracies, e.g. the French must know
>that just because we talk of a single type of "bakery" that doesn't
>mean they should abandon their patisseries and boulangeries and force
>them into a system that was designed by people who knew only German
>or English bakeries. And so on.

Agree with you 100% on this. I'm working at the moment on the STAG type
approach that will hopefully work more generically across boundaries and
languages (albeit that the base language is English). Hopefully if its
adopted it will reduce this type of problem.



Andy Robinson
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