[OSM-talk] Mapping where it is illegal (was: [Talk-GB] Are we all terrorists?)

[Gregory]

On 31/01/2008, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm taking this to talk from talk-gb.
>
> > We may not be all terrorists, but we are participating in terrorist
> > behaviour.
> > £10 in cigarettes  and a phone call for the first person to be
> > arrested and held for a month from mapping.
>
> I wonder what our moral position on mapping vs. local laws should be.
>
> Do we encourage people to break the law of their country when
> contributing to OSM, or do we ask people to respect the law of their
> country? Or is it the somewhat imperialist "respect the law unless it
> is made by stubborn Chinese apparatchiks or fanatical mid-east mullahs"?
>
> If someone proudly uploads tracks from China, thereby compromising -
> in the eyes of the Chinese - their national security, what do we say?
>
> Personally I am leaning towards the slightly sub-culture "we map
> everything no matter what people say". But that's probably not a
> tenable "official" position, especially as logic would dictate that
> if someone, in the UK, trespasses on someone else's land and maps
> their garden paths, that data should be as welcome as illegally
> collected tracs from China.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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We treat it in the same way as copyright infringement...
- I upload some garden footpaths and OSM people assume I got permission to
walk in the garden, or I peeped over the fence and guesses where they are,
whatever.
- Owner of garden complains to OSM that I should have those tracks, I
tresspassed, or used the gardner's blueprints.
- OSM remove all my tracks in the whole db (including outside the garden,
because I might of been naughty elsewhere) and I get banned
- OSM suffers in some data loss, but carries on with the over mappers
Is that right?

Or maybe it's be in line with copying public domain (out of date) maps in a
records office.
- I sneak a camera in and take snaps of the public domain photos and send
them to OSM.
- Record Office/Library bans me and fines me and all sorts for breaking it's
rules.
- Does OSM get to keep the photos because the maps (and my photos of) are
public domain?

-- 
Gregory
nomoregrapes at gmail.com
http://www.livingwithdragons.com
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