[OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight

[Ulf Lamping]

Sebastian Spaeth schrieb:
> Ulf, that is a crap argument. I know Fredrik well enough to say that
> control is the least of his motives. 
ACK
> What he is trying to convey is that
> in most cases it just needs somebody to implement it the way we thinks
> is right. And in doing so effectively provides a kind-of standard that
> can be used. Our SVN is public, anybody can apply for access. In order
> to add features you don't have to be able to program.
>   
Yes, it's worse:

You need to be able to work with SVN
You need to be able to install mapnik and/or osmarender (and on a 
Windows machine this IS a big problem :-)
You need to know XML.
For Mapnik you'll need to know how to setup the database
For Osmarender you'll need to know CSS.
...


What I'm trying to say: If you look a bit deeper it's not that easy.

There's a reason that I only maintain the JOSM stylesheets (these are 
usually uptodate): I can't test mapnik/osmarender on my machine so I 
don't do changes here not to break stuff.
> And you are arguing that somebody is trying to
> decrease other peoples power?
>   
By sabotaging the voting process he's actively doing so, yes. Very 
certainly not by intention but in effect.
> What can Frederik do if you you add amenity=molehill to the renderers
> stylesheet. He is neither maintainer nor judge on these issues either.
>   
I remember some earlier discussions about rendering all map features on 
either mapnik or osmarender at a very high zoom level and the response 
was: "for heaven's sake, this would just look ugly - we don't want that".

I thought it was a good idea to have concensus *before* doing changes, 
but (again) I just wasn't aware that the OSM way is: "change stuff in 
the SVN and hit anyone in the face who criticise your changes" ;-)
> Lots of good arguments on both sides here in this thread. But this was
> not one of them.
>   
I'm taking back my argument about Frederiks motivation (I also know 
Frederik a bit), but the rest about control turns out to be more and 
more true.

Regards, ULFL