[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=conservation

paul youlten paul at yellowikis.org
Tue Jan 13 19:01:29 GMT 2009


I was thinking that the conservation tag sounds like something that
might be added to Sites of Special Scientific Interest in the UK (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_of_special_scientific_interest ).
These are managed  by Natural England...

... and according to the somewhat clunky map at
http://www.natureonthemap.org.uk I have 5 national Nature Reserves and
at least 15 Sites of Special Scientific Interest in the little bit of
East Sussex that I occasionally map...

So I was excited to see that Natural England
(http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ ) publish GIS Digital Boundary
Datasets... and they say "Use of the Datasets is generally
unrestricted"... But then "...by downloading the GIS data you will be
accepting the Terms and Conditions as shown on the Download Page." ...
 The Terms and conditions (
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/psi-regulations/advice-and-guidance/copyright-and-licensing-arrangements.htm
) look quite restrictive, because their data is based on OS data,
which prevents OSM from using them.

...and of course - looking at the SSSIs near me not all the boundaries
are walkable/cyclable and anyway I might end up damaging the areas
that I wanted to map!

:-(

PaulY


http://www.english-nature.org.uk/pubs/gis/GIS_register.asp

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jan 2009, at 15:30, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
>
> Peter,
> Yes, my first post.  But just me as a map and outdoors enthusiast.  Not
> representing W3C.
> No subtext to my post.  Just asking for  tag.
>
> Welcome
>
> (Now landuse=conservation is in mapnik and osmarender, I am more confident
> we are making progress on this, and will be able to motivate people to
> maintain maps of conservation land.)
>
> This raises a question I have about overloading of tags (if that is the
> right term for this). I notice that a nature-reserve is categorised under
> leisure, which seems weird. It is not  really there as a leisure facility
> and some nature-reserves are not open to the public and are therefore not
> leisure facilities. If it was in natural though then it would clash with
> conservation and with heath etc. So how do we manage a piece of conservation
> land, that is also heath and a nature-reserve. Currently unless we deploy
> the dreaded ';' or we have ways on top of ways we can't currently do it.
>
> That said, I'm happy to separately talk mapping the OSM to the semantic web,
> OSM and W3C in  in a subject line.
>
> I think it might be worth looking at this. It all feels a bit like the early
> days of javascript where many small decisions were made very fast and we
> have been living with the consequences ever since. That is not a criticism
> of where we are, OSM would not be the success it is without all those
> decisions having been made fast, it is only an observation that a review at
> this point might pay big dividends in the future. I will pick the issue up
> on the other thread.
>
> Peter
>
> Tim
> On 2009-01 -09, at 19:01, Peter Miller wrote:
>
> On 9 Jan 2009, at 15:46, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
>
> I'd like to propose a tag for conservation land -  land protected from
> development.
> There was no alternative for tis tag in the thousands of areas which
> CRSchmidt
> imported recently from the Mass GIS database of open space in Massachusetts.
>
> Details below and on the wiki at:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation
>
> Tim Berners-Lee
>
>
> Tim, if this is your first post can I first say welcome from all of us, if
> not then I should go an read you previous posts and give my apologies for
> missing them so far. It is great to have input and that that of W3. I know
> that you are personally keen on a free geographic web to support a semantic
> web and that is of course what OSM is busy collecting. If the subtext of
> your post is that W3 is interested in OSM and the standards behind it then
> we are all ears. Personally I think 2009 will be a breakthrough year for the
> project and we are going to need all the help we can get to deal with the
> expectations that will be raised.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Miller
>
>
>
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