[OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: Alternatives to wikipedia?

[Richard Fairhurst]

Peter - are you really sure about geograph? AIUI only the photos are
CC-BY-SA, the geolocation is OS-derived. Please check.

Sorry for crap formatting, moving house so on mobile.

Richard


Peter Miller-7 wrote:
> 
> 
> On 18 Mar 2009, at 17:11, Lester Caine wrote:
> 
>> Tim 'avatar' Bartel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we're going to cooperate with Wikipedia, then they need to
>>>> cooperate with us by not allowing any dangling links.
>>>
>>> There are several reasons why this isn't possible, but the biggest  
>>> one
>>> is the following: Wikipedia isn't controlled by the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation but by the community. With whom do you like to make an
>>> arrangement? It's pretty hard to make an arrangement with a community
>>> consisting out of constantly changing people.
>>
>> That is probably the main reason who I would prefer to find an
>> alternative 'location' to direct links to. And some useful suggestions
>> have already been made.
>>
>> While I CAN appreciate the idea of our own wiki. That would require a
>> lot more hardware. Viovio has several terabytes of images already,  
>> and I
>> suspect wikitravel.org can probably top that. So sharing the load  
>> would
>> sound a lot more sensible?
> 
> As I see it there are a number of different sorts of 'associated' data  
> for OSM that needs a reliable and welcoming home somewhere:
> 
> 1) Photos - these need to have locations and a direction or  
> alternatively two positions, one for the camera and one for the  
> subject of the photo. In addition to that it is useful to know when it  
> was taken and any special attributes, was it taken when it was  
> snowing, was it raining, is it a picture of something pretty or of a  
> defect or of a signpost or what. All of this information would allow  
> applications to decide which ones to use. A journey planner would show  
> pictures of the pretty things on the route but another application  
> might want to show defects to the local council or show illegal  
> parking to the police. So... there is a whole load of stuff to do with  
> photos , some pretty pictures of scenery can go in WikiTravel and  
> Viovio etc, but some of the other stuff wouldn't be appreciated there  
> and we might need to provide a home.
> 
> 2) Articles - background information for a street, when it was  
> constructed, why, where its name came from and possibly plans for its  
> future. Hard to see who else would give this house-room.
> 
> 3) Subjective information about ways - muddy in winter, poor lighting,  
> too narrow for a double buggy, very crowded on market days etc.
> 
> I would like us to think about all this stuff. We need to decide which  
> bit below in Wikipedia (certainly the right place for articles about  
> towns), for Viovio (pretty pictures?), and which nerdy details about  
> traffic, pot poles, traffic signs and bus stop poles and origins of  
> street names belong in OSM and no-where else.
> 
> Finally, lets not be frightened about the cost of another box and the  
> hosting because terrabytes and gigabytes are really cheap these days.  
> We have just bought a box with 7 Terrabytes of disk storage and it  
> cost <£100 per terrabyte. We are also about to import all 1,000,000 of  
> photos of geographic features in the UK  from Geograph (all CCBYSA) to  
> see how it copes.
> 
> Can I suggest that if we are serious about this that we get a wiki  
> page together with the brief for the project and see what it looks  
> like as we work on it. Does this project have a name and are in vague  
> agreement about the scope and the need?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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