[OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: [Spam] Re: Alternatives to wikipedia?

[Peter Miller]

On 18 Mar 2009, at 21:23, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

>
> Peter - are you really sure about geograph? AIUI only the photos are
> CC-BY-SA, the geolocation is OS-derived. Please check.
>

I am sure that Barry Hunter (who started it) assured me at sotm2008  
that the whole thing is CCBYSA and that the OS who sponsor the project  
had agreed to that but I don't see that message repeated on their  
website. I will check with him again and report back.


Regards,


Peter


> Sorry for crap formatting, moving house so on mobile.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Peter Miller-7 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 18 Mar 2009, at 17:11, Lester Caine wrote:
>>
>>> Tim 'avatar' Bartel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're going to cooperate with Wikipedia, then they need to
>>>>> cooperate with us by not allowing any dangling links.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reasons why this isn't possible, but the biggest
>>>> one
>>>> is the following: Wikipedia isn't controlled by the Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation but by the community. With whom do you like to make an
>>>> arrangement? It's pretty hard to make an arrangement with a  
>>>> community
>>>> consisting out of constantly changing people.
>>>
>>> That is probably the main reason who I would prefer to find an
>>> alternative 'location' to direct links to. And some useful  
>>> suggestions
>>> have already been made.
>>>
>>> While I CAN appreciate the idea of our own wiki. That would  
>>> require a
>>> lot more hardware. Viovio has several terabytes of images already,
>>> and I
>>> suspect wikitravel.org can probably top that. So sharing the load
>>> would
>>> sound a lot more sensible?
>>
>> As I see it there are a number of different sorts of 'associated'  
>> data
>> for OSM that needs a reliable and welcoming home somewhere:
>>
>> 1) Photos - these need to have locations and a direction or
>> alternatively two positions, one for the camera and one for the
>> subject of the photo. In addition to that it is useful to know when  
>> it
>> was taken and any special attributes, was it taken when it was
>> snowing, was it raining, is it a picture of something pretty or of a
>> defect or of a signpost or what. All of this information would allow
>> applications to decide which ones to use. A journey planner would  
>> show
>> pictures of the pretty things on the route but another application
>> might want to show defects to the local council or show illegal
>> parking to the police. So... there is a whole load of stuff to do  
>> with
>> photos , some pretty pictures of scenery can go in WikiTravel and
>> Viovio etc, but some of the other stuff wouldn't be appreciated there
>> and we might need to provide a home.
>>
>> 2) Articles - background information for a street, when it was
>> constructed, why, where its name came from and possibly plans for its
>> future. Hard to see who else would give this house-room.
>>
>> 3) Subjective information about ways - muddy in winter, poor  
>> lighting,
>> too narrow for a double buggy, very crowded on market days etc.
>>
>> I would like us to think about all this stuff. We need to decide  
>> which
>> bit below in Wikipedia (certainly the right place for articles about
>> towns), for Viovio (pretty pictures?), and which nerdy details about
>> traffic, pot poles, traffic signs and bus stop poles and origins of
>> street names belong in OSM and no-where else.
>>
>> Finally, lets not be frightened about the cost of another box and the
>> hosting because terrabytes and gigabytes are really cheap these days.
>> We have just bought a box with 7 Terrabytes of disk storage and it
>> cost <£100 per terrabyte. We are also about to import all 1,000,000  
>> of
>> photos of geographic features in the UK  from Geograph (all CCBYSA)  
>> to
>> see how it copes.
>>
>> Can I suggest that if we are serious about this that we get a wiki
>> page together with the brief for the project and see what it looks
>> like as we work on it. Does this project have a name and are in vague
>> agreement about the scope and the need?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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