[OSM-talk] shop=groceries?

Mike Harris mikh43 at googlemail.com
Sat Oct 3 08:23:03 BST 2009

I would agree that it is completely wrong to change =groceries to =greengrocer. It would be nice if farlokko would revert these changes except where (s)he knows that only fruit and vegetables are sold.

The descriptions given by Martin are also correct in the UK. I tend to use =convenience, as it is there on the wiki, but can see value in rehabilitating =grocer (perhaps rather than =groceries for consistency with =greengrocer) for small or specialist food stores that do not sell non-food items. Although grocery stores are disappearing in the UK and US and being replaced by more generalised convenience stores, they are still very much present in the more cultured countries of the European continent (e.g. France - épicerie, and I'm glad to learn that CZ is another of them!).

Mike Harris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MP [mailto:singularita at gmail.com] 
> Sent: 02 October 2009 22:07
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [OSM-talk] shop=groceries?
> I notices few days ago user farlokko changed many 
> shop=groceries into shop=greengrocer worldwide.
> The changeset is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2562959
> I think this change is wrong, at least for most nodes in 
> czech republic - I know about nodes that I've added and only 
> small part (perhaps one out of ten) of them are actually 
> greengrocers, according to my knowledge. Most of them are 
> ordinary grocery stores. Some of them even have no or very 
> little selection of fruit and vegetables.
> The greengrocer is shop that sells fruits and vegetables (in 
> czech language usually called "Ovoce a zelenina") and no 
> other type of food
> - according to what is at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dgreengrocer and 
> what would the name suggest.
> The groceries (I found shop=groceries at rejected features, 
> though it was widely used, JOSM has it in presets, etc ..) 
> should be used for shops selling general food (not only fruit 
> and vegetables), but that do not sell anything other than 
> food (like shop=convenience) and are small (so 
> shop=supermarked won't fit to them) - at least this is what I 
> think. In czech these are called "Potraviny", or "Večerka" if 
> they have closing time very late in night.
> So the question is how to tag shops selling only food that are small?
> Should shop=groceries be used (and perhaps somehow added to 
> map features or proposed features, or some other tag should be used?
> And should that changeset that converted shop=groceries into 
> shop=greengrocer be reverted?
> Martin

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