[OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

[Apollinaris Schoell]

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, John Smith <deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2009/9/21 Richard Weait <richard at weait.com>:
> [ ... ]
> >> So I suggest we pattern on network=us_i for Interstates, us_us for US
> >> Routes, us_ny_ny for New York State Routes, us_ny_ny_co for New York
> >> county roads, etc.  These tags should sort nicely alphabetically for
> >> bug-squashing and allow collision avoidance with imperfect knowledge
> >> of other international network naming systems.
> >
> > What you are doing specifically will end up causing inconsistent data
> > because you don't see us_ny_ny_co on signs and people won't tag it.
>
> Dear John,
>
> You underestimate the intelligence of OSM contributors and their
> motivation to make the map better.  Particularly you underestimate
> their wish for better highway shields.  You think increasingly
> specific network tags are too complicated for OSM contributors?  Are
> you familiar with the great success of the Karlsruhe addressing
> Schema?[1] ;-)
>
> They will tag it.  Absolutely they will tag it.  When Mapnik support
> for local shields is adopted on osm.org and announced on talk-US it
> will take less than 7 days for the US Interstate system to have shiny
> new shields from coast to coast.  I'll send you a bottle of Canadian
> Maple Syrup if I am wrong.
>

after more than a year after tiger import still most US highways are
untouched. have no or wrong ref values. broken connections .... the list is
endless
nothing will happen in 7 days.


> > In the case of US interstate it should just be network=I, state
> > highways network=S
>
> "S" and "I" are so lacking context as to approach line-noise.
> "us_ny_ny_co" even hints at the right answer, without reading the
> docs.
>
>
you shouldn't use well established tags in the wrong way. us_ny_ny_co is not
a  network name. the network is I, US, ....
 network is useful for routing applications too and should be used as signed
in reality.
If we need a tag for mapnik rendering call it mapnik:<something> or
shildsymbolizersomething ....



> > That is enough information combined with a database or shape file with
> > all the meta information about what shield exists in which location,
>
> Those are mandatory with your incomplete tags.  They are optional with
> explicit, human-readable tags.
>
> > and defaulting to UK style signs if a localised style hasn't been
> > defined otherwise.
>
> I agree that failover to the UK style shield is better than nothing.
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
>
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