[OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

Nic Roets nroets at gmail.com
Mon Feb 1 20:28:15 GMT 2010

Hello Frederik,

It is very easy to sit back and say we'll let the community fix the tagging
over time. It is even conceivable that some players who build a business
around OSM (and I'm not mentioning names here) may secretly want the tagging
mayhem to continue because they already have software to work around the
issues and they view that as a competitive advantage.

It's another thing to be involved and choose a side.

Something very simple is the ability to add tags for which no documentation
exist (on the wiki). Someone who does that either made a spelling mistake,
is too lazy to write documentation, or, even worse, did not bother to look
at what other people did. And writing software to prohibit this is quite


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> NopMap wrote:
> > OSM is quite suitable for any hobby project, but I believe that the
> > anarchistic nature and the often controversial and sometimes disputed and
> > chaotic tagging are reason enough to deter the use of OSM in any
> > professional area where you are talking about warranties.
> I don't think that the line is between "hobby" and "professional".
> OSM with their volunteers does one kind of mapping, and TeleAtlas with
> their vans does another kind of mapping. Each has its own distinctive
> advantages. There are professional users wo spend money on OSM data when
> they *already have* TeleAtlas data.
> The commercial maps have fixed tagging schemes, minimum quality
> standards and only accept trained personnel as mappers. They have long
> turnaround times and cost a lot of money to maintain. At OSM we have no
> fixed tagging schema, no minimum quality standards, and anyone can map.
> We have super fast turnaround times and cost nothing to maintain.
> Different approaches - different results. Not worse or better; different.
> I don't see how you could have the advantages without the disadvantages.
> Add a fixed tagging scheme and peer review to OSM and you get more
> quality but less data and longer turnaround times; before long you are
> TeleAtlas v2.0 and have to charge for maps to pay your mappers because
> nobody does it for fun any more.
> So, yes, in my eyes the approach is really "take it or leave it", and if
> someone decides he'd rather use TeleAtlas or Navteq then by all means,
> let him do it. I don't know why Dave F finds this "VERY disillusioning";
> what was his illusion then? For OSM to rule the world? I think the world
> is much better of with a few map datasets following different approaches
> that with a "one size fits all" dataset.
> Bye
> Frederik
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