[OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

Michael Barabanov michael.barabanov at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 06:48:55 BST 2010


Would specifying that the new license must be not just open/free but
specifically an SA-like license in contributor agreement solve this
particular issue?  ODBL looks like SA in spirit.  Further changing of
licenses could be a separate discussion, when/if there's a new need.

Michael.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Ben Last <ben.last at nearmap.com> wrote:

> On 19 July 2010 10:18, John Smith <deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19 July 2010 09:04, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:
>> > I don't recall seeing the nice folks from NearMap posting on this
>> > thread.  I do recall an assertion from another poster that NearMap is
>> > firm on the map data being Share-Alike, as is will be under ODbL.  But
>> > no quotations attributed to NearMap, nor posts from them here.  I
>> > think it does a disservice to NearMap to presume that anybody other
>> > than their staff speak for them.
>> I'll emailed them privately and asked them just like anyone else can,
>> I didn't ask to republish their email but even if you don't believe me
>> their current terms spell out their current position, that is a share
>> alike license like CC-by-SA
>
>
> As John has, quite correctly, been polite enough not to share Stuart
> Nixon's email reply with the list, here it is below (release approved by
> Stuart):
>
> "NearMap is keen to continue to support OSM with our PhotoMaps (noting
> that in the future we will be expanding to Europe and other areas).
>
> As our PhotoMaps are central to our business, we can only offer them
> under a CC-BY-SA (or similar) license, and the license must preserve
> this (e.g. not take away these rights at a later date).  It is
> critical to us that the license is Share Alike, so it must be CC-BY-SA
> style, not CC-BY style."
>
> In a separate email (to Liz Dodd, cc John), Stuart added:
>
> "We are watching what is going on with some concern. I'm not sure what
> we will do if OSM splinters; as you may know there are already other
> groups working on street maps, and we don't support them as we would
> rather work with a single open community.
>
> Perhaps you could contact Yahoo to see what their view is on where OSM
> is going; I would guess they would have similar requirements to
> ourselves. If OSM became aware of the issues a non-CC-BY-SA style
> license, or one that can change in the future, causes for commercial
> groups trying to support OSM, then perhaps they can tune the process
> to continue to encourage commercial support.
>
> It is worth noting that in the longer term NearMap plans to cover much
> more of the world's population, and we do hope we can continue to work
> with OSM."
>
> It's probably also worth quoting from our Copyright and Credits page (
> http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright), which sets out our point of view:
>
> "Copyrights and credits
>
> We hope you enjoy using our website and our PhotoMaps. We’ve worked very
> hard to bring them to you.
>
> Use of the NearMap website and PhotoMaps is governed by our licence terms<http://products/licence>
>  and community guidelines <http://products/community-guidelines>. You may
> also refer to our Terms of Use <http://legal/terms-of-use> for other
> related information. From this publication date, our website and all the
> images and PhotoMaps are copyrighted works that belong to NearMap Pty Ltd.
>
> [image: CC-BY-SA] <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/>We
> specifically encourage creation of Creative Commons Attribution Share
> Alike (CC-BY-SA) <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/> licensed
> information derived from our PhotoMap content, so that everyone can share
> and build a greater understanding of our planet.
> Credit where it is due!
>
> In creating this website, we are very grateful for the additional
> information from the following sources, which is provided subject to their
> respective copyrights and licences.
> OpenStreetMap
>
> We support the sharing of information and knowledge.
>
> “OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/> is an editable map of the
> whole world. It is made by people like you. OpenStreetMap<http://www.openstreetmap.org/> allows
> you to view, edit and use geographical data in a collaborative way from
> anywhere on Earth.
>
> OpenStreetMap creates and provides free geographic data such as street maps
> to anyone who wants them. The project was started because most maps you
> think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use,
> holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected
> ways.”
>
> — Source: http://www.openstreetmap.org
>
> Visit OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/> to take part in the
> collaboration or read more about OSM, their disclaimers and applicable
> terms of use. <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki>"
> You can also take it as read that many of us here at NearMap are
> enthusiastic mappers and OSM contributors.  We're also working hard on ways
> to allow more people to more easily contribute data to OSM.
>
> Cheers
> Ben
>
> --
> Ben Last
> Development Manager (HyperWeb)
> NearMap Pty Ltd
>
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