[OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore

[Nic Roets]

Ignacio, having watched the admins at work for many years, I can
summarize the situation as follows :
1. They are doing it in their spare time. They are supportive of new
apps, but they don't always have time to write new code, test it and
roll it out.
2. Over the years the API has improved significantly due to new
hardware and software, but at the same time the number of users has
grown substantially.
3. A lot of people get angry very quickly if they can edit.
4. There are two good alternatives to scraping the API: (a) Replicate
(part of) the planet, like Cloudmade, Geofabriek and the rendering
servers are doing or (b) download the weekly planet and split or
extract it.

Weekly extracts are perfectly reaonable for offline apps. My guess is
that more than half the objects in the database is more than 1 year
old, so adding another week will not make a significant difference
(except for the rare case of crisis mapping). If an offline editor
encounters a conflict when syncing, then it should notify the user and
let him fix it manually with Potlatch.

Regards,
Nic

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:58 PM, IgnacioZ <zignacio at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry I included only Jeff on this reply, forwarding to the rest...
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM, IgnacioZ <zignacio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But with that model you can't have offline maps edition which I think
>> is particularly useful for mobiles. There are several places you don't
>> have internet available: if you like hiking, or maybe underwater, or
>> you are doing some trekking on an interesting new place, or you just
>> don't want to be online because it drains a lot of battery, or because
>> you are travelling and don't want to pay for the costs of being
>> connected.
>>
>> And for offline editing it is important to have the previous data
>> offline also, not only the tiles.
>>
>>
>> Ignacio.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Jeff Spirko <spirko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM, 80n <80n80n at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Form the description of True Maps at
>>>> http://www.appstorehq.com/true-offline-mapslite-iphone-144457/app
>>>>
>>>> "- Search and Edit POI. True maps will allow you to search for specific
>>>> places of interest nearby and to even add your owns totally offline. Since
>>>> true maps will interact directly with openstreetmap your POI will also be
>>>> available to everyone!"
>>>>
>>>> This seems like a bit of a dilemma.  On the one hand we want a mass market
>>>> POI editing tool to capture all those long tail contributors, on the other
>>>> hand that's never going to happen if we block any prospective app as soon as
>>>> it starts to become popular.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the database maintainers would prefer that the App use
>>> tiles for viewing the map and only log in to get data via the API if
>>> the user wants to edit the map, like the way the Slippy Map works.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Hughes <tom at compton.nu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/03/10 09:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:#
>>>>>
>>>>> > Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required
>>>>> > and a
>>>>> > policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are
>>>>> > data
>>>>> > limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > that in words rather than an API limit?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's less about volume and more about what you're doing with the data
>>>>> where the map api is concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've
>>>>> tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as
>>>>> part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention
>>>>> of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
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