[OSM-talk] FYI: correspondence with wikiloc

[Roman Neumüller]

This is a correspondence I got into with Jordi from wikiloc.com

------- Forwarded message -------
From: "Jordi Ramot" <jordi.ramot at gmail.com>
To: "Roman Neumüller" <email at katpatuka.org>
Cc:
Subject: Re: Wikiloc - User Feedback
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:34:18 +0300

Hi Roman, I cannot say ok since trails in wikiloc are creations of each
user
and I think it wouldn't be fair to reproduce and mix them externally
without
showing explicit attribution on OSM maps.

I've been thinking hard in how this could be done properly and a
possibility
would be to let wikiloc users to set the privacy of each trail as
"private",
"public in wikiloc", "transferable to OSM" etc.. and perhaps even create an
API that OSM could fetch all "transferable to OSM" trails automatically.
I'm
overwhelmed with pending features at this moment but that could definitely
be considered in the future.

I hope this doesn't affect your work and hope this discussion could end up
in a broader collaboration in the future

Jordi

--
http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=Jordi
wikiloc.com - Trails of the World


On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Roman Neumüller
<email at katpatuka.org>wrote:

> no, not on the map.
> you only see the tags in editors.
> it's a wiki-map we are creating and not a google overlay...
>
> OSM's license is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license.
>
> maybe one of your team should create an account and start editing
> his/her home region on osm so that he/she then can tell osm
> under which conditions osm users can use gpx-tracks uploaded to
> wikiloc... - or tell us: no, you cannot use wikiloc-tracks.
>
> Roman
>
>
>  Hi Roman, these tags will be explicitly visible to OSM users when they  
> see
>> the trails on osm maps?
>>
>> Sent from my pint-sized communication device
>>
>> On 11/05/2010, at 19:57, Roman Neumüller <email at katpatuka.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Jordi,
>>>
>>> this sounds a bit odd to me...
>>> I do not know which agreement you have with google - osm is not using
>>> google in any way.
>>>
>>> Which tags should I add to a way to accomplish your attributions?
>>>
>>> * source=wikiloc.com
>>> * source_url=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=894235
>>> * track_author=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=gezenkurt
>>>
>>> Would that be ok?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Roman
>>>
>>>  Hi Roman,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for being so slow in writing back to you on this. I've been
>>>> discussing the situation and it'd be compatible with wikiloc terms  
>>>> only if
>>>> the trails from Wikiloc shown on OSM make explicitly visible the 3
>>>> attributions (
>>>> wikiloc.com, trail page and author's page) to users of OSM. We worked
>>>> hard in the agreement with Google Earth to respect this attribution
>>>> requirement and you can see it if you open one of Wikiloc trails on  
>>>> Google
>>>> Earth (you'll see clearly that the source is Wikiloc (logo, link),  
>>>> the trail
>>>> page and the trail author's page).
>>>>
>>>> Hope it helps
>>>>
>>>> Jordi
>>>>
>>>>>> I [...] let you know that I added OSM as a base layer
>>>>>> last Thursday. You can switch from Google Maps to OSM by clicking  
>>>>>> at "More Maps" button when visualizing a track in wikiloc.
>>>>> Nice :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please if you use some of the GPS tracks in wikiloc to map on OSM  
>>>>>> include a visible attribution as specified in the terms of use of  
>>>>>> wikiloc:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Attribution: When content from Wikiloc is displayed on an external  
>>>>>> site it must include the Wikiloc's logo or name linked to  
>>>>>> http://www.wikiloc.com, a link to the track page (e.g.  
>>>>>> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=46602)
>>>>>> and the track author's name linked to his/her personal area at
>>>>>> wikiloc.com(e.g. 'by –Ross' linked to
>>>>>> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=--Ross)"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no requirement to be links without the rel='nofollow' as  
>>>>>> long as the source is clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> when working with ways we use tags like
>>>>>
>>>>>    highway=primary;
>>>>>    ref=D-400
>>>>>    name=Antalya-Mersin Yolu
>>>>>    source=GPS | Yahoo | landsat | survey
>>>>>
>>>>> We can freely use other tags like
>>>>>
>>>>>    source_url=http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=46602
>>>>>
>>>>> Would that be applicable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>> Roman