[OSM-talk] FYI: correspondence with wikiloc

Wed May 12 18:34:33 BST 2010

Hi Jordi,
It's great to hear that others has heard from you.

The gpsies.com website that currently donates a whole lot of GPX tracks is
http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GPSies_com

They do so by after uploading a track (a gpx file with 1 track in it), then
go in to the tracks details when refining the track...
http://www.gpsies.com/upload.do

There is an option between "Altitude Range" and "Description"  to submit to
OpenStreetMap, as a 'Default:User or a Specific user, and a check box to
agree to the terms of use'  that links to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ

I hope that helps.
Sorry, i dont know how to implement that same thing.
AFAIK bikemap.net (and it's sister websites) doesnt do this yet, nor does
everytrail.com, so your site could get the advantage. as it's much simpler
to use, and with no Adds.  Awesome!

Hopefully, there are some programmers who are able to help you out with
this.
I would think that it would be a notice when users log in, that their is a
new option available to users.  The rest is up to the users to decide.

And oh ya, thanks for showing the OSM layers of Opencyclemap and the mapnik
layer of OSM, it really help with route planning / track sharing, it's still
on my list to share my route segments. :)

Cheers,
Sam

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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Roman Neumüller <r.neumuller at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is a correspondence I got into with Jordi from wikiloc.com
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: "Jordi Ramot" <jordi.ramot at gmail.com>
> To: "Roman Neumüller" <email at katpatuka.org>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Wikiloc - User Feedback
> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:34:18 +0300
>
> Hi Roman, I cannot say ok since trails in wikiloc are creations of each
> user
> and I think it wouldn't be fair to reproduce and mix them externally
> without
> showing explicit attribution on OSM maps.
>
> I've been thinking hard in how this could be done properly and a
> possibility
> would be to let wikiloc users to set the privacy of each trail as
> "private",
> "public in wikiloc", "transferable to OSM" etc.. and perhaps even create an
> API that OSM could fetch all "transferable to OSM" trails automatically.
> I'm
> overwhelmed with pending features at this moment but that could definitely
> be considered in the future.
>
> I hope this doesn't affect your work and hope this discussion could end up
> in a broader collaboration in the future
>
> Jordi
>
> --
> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=Jordi
> wikiloc.com - Trails of the World
>
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Roman Neumüller
> <email at katpatuka.org>wrote:
>
> > no, not on the map.
> > you only see the tags in editors.
> > it's a wiki-map we are creating and not a google overlay...
> >
> > OSM's license is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license.
> >
> > maybe one of your team should create an account and start editing
> > his/her home region on osm so that he/she then can tell osm
> > under which conditions osm users can use gpx-tracks uploaded to
> > wikiloc... - or tell us: no, you cannot use wikiloc-tracks.
> >
> > Roman
> >
> >
> >  Hi Roman, these tags will be explicitly visible to OSM users when they
> > see
> >> the trails on osm maps?
> >>
> >> Sent from my pint-sized communication device
> >>
> >> On 11/05/2010, at 19:57, Roman Neumüller <email at katpatuka.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi Jordi,
> >>>
> >>> this sounds a bit odd to me...
> >>> I do not know which agreement you have with google - osm is not using
> >>> google in any way.
> >>>
> >>> Which tags should I add to a way to accomplish your attributions?
> >>>
> >>> * source=wikiloc.com
> >>> * source_url=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=894235
> >>> * track_author=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=gezenkurt
> >>>
> >>> Would that be ok?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Roman
> >>>
> >>>  Hi Roman,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for being so slow in writing back to you on this. I've been
> >>>> discussing the situation and it'd be compatible with wikiloc terms
> >>>> only if
> >>>> the trails from Wikiloc shown on OSM make explicitly visible the 3
> >>>> attributions (
> >>>> wikiloc.com, trail page and author's page) to users of OSM. We worked
> >>>> hard in the agreement with Google Earth to respect this attribution
> >>>> requirement and you can see it if you open one of Wikiloc trails on
> >>>> Google
> >>>> Earth (you'll see clearly that the source is Wikiloc (logo, link),
> >>>> the trail
> >>>> page and the trail author's page).
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope it helps
> >>>>
> >>>> Jordi
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I [...] let you know that I added OSM as a base layer
> >>>>>> last Thursday. You can switch from Google Maps to OSM by clicking
> >>>>>> at "More Maps" button when visualizing a track in wikiloc.
> >>>>> Nice :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Please if you use some of the GPS tracks in wikiloc to map on OSM
> >>>>>> include a visible attribution as specified in the terms of use of
> >>>>>> wikiloc:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Attribution: When content from Wikiloc is displayed on an external
> >>>>>> site it must include the Wikiloc's logo or name linked to
> >>>>>> http://www.wikiloc.com, a link to the track page (e.g.
> >>>>>> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=46602)
> >>>>>> and the track author's name linked to his/her personal area at
> >>>>>> wikiloc.com(e.g. 'by –Ross' linked to
> >>>>>> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=--Ross)"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's no requirement to be links without the rel='nofollow' as
> >>>>>> long as the source is clear.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> when working with ways we use tags like
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    highway=primary;
> >>>>>    ref=D-400
> >>>>>    name=Antalya-Mersin Yolu
> >>>>>    source=GPS | Yahoo | landsat | survey
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can freely use other tags like
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    source_url=http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=46602
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would that be applicable?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings
> >>>>> Roman
>
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