[OSM-talk] Routing error Cloudmap.com or wrong tagging?

[Anton Popov]

Hello Michael,

What route type do we talk about?
If you cannot build foot or bicycle route through specified street, then
yes, this is navigation engine bug, and I will add it to CloudMade ticket
system. If talking about cars, I still do not prefer routing over "motorcar:
private" streets - Nic Roets described the reasons quite clearly.

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Michael Eric Menk <mikemenk at yahoo.no>wrote:

> On 05/27/2010 12:53 AM, Nic Roets wrote:
> > The 'private' tag is used quite often and will be quite tedious if a
> > user needs to specify what roads he may access as an owner before he
> > can use the system. So from a practical standpoint, it makes sense to
> > treat it as a road tagged with 'destination':
>
> As i wrote. Access only to property OWNERS, and not "Kjøring til
> eiendommene er tillatt", witch is the text on destination driving
> sub-signs.
>
> > I haven't considered all these issues last time I looked at my code
> > that handles it and it still interpret 'private' as 'no'. Perhaps the
> > same thing happened to Cloudmade.
>
> The access in question clearly says YES, so I do not see the problem.
>
> >> access: no
> >> bicycle: yes
> >> created_by: JOSM
> >> foot: yes
> >> highway: service
> >> motorcar: private
> >> name: Munkebotn
> >> note: Middelalder stamvei (ridevei)
> >> old_name: Den Trondheimske postvei
> >> start_date: 1600
> >>
> >> http://osm.org/go/0Rv01LEg?layers=0B00FTTT
> >>
> >> Is there a problem with the tagging, or with the routing-software?
> >>
> >>
>
>
>  >   Or they don't want to take the risk
>  > that one of their clients will do something silly, get a fine or get
>  > arrested and then face all the legalities and / or bad press.
>  >
>
> Just some notes about Norwegians access rules (for those who are
> interested).
>
> You may not restrict access to anyone that's non-motorized in Norway,
> except if:
> * Their access makes damage to you property
> * Their access is a danger to them self or others. ( security perimeter
> and "walking on the motorway")
> * National security (Military bases &c)
> * Your garden. *)
>
> *) Courts have ruled
> that 7 meters from you house is to far away to restrict someone access
> to walk on a path though your property, witch the house-owner considered
> his garden.
>
> As far as I know, we do not have a word for trespassing in Norway. The
> closest we get to trespassing laws are.
> * You may deny people to set up camp for more the 48h.
> * You may deny people to set up camp closer than 150m from a building.
> * You may access to people when their actions damage your property.
>
> So, if you are a programmer of a routing software, you can conclude
> that: Foot and bicycle have access to ALL paths and roads unless
> otherwise specified.
>
> --
> Michael Eric Menk
> Linkedin: http://no.linkedin.com/in/mikemenk
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