[OSM-talk] We need urgently a clarification between place locality, farm and isolated_dwelling

[Pieren]

Good to see that nobody cares about the wiki inconsistencies of 'locality'.
Then I will fix it directly with the 'unpopulated place' version.

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Pieren <pieren3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the wiki, we need to clarify some places definitions after some recent
> (or not) changes:
>
> place=locality:
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality:
> - "place tags are for either populated areas, or for larger areas of County
> sized or bigger" (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality). What is a
> county ? Is it not a definition to give only in countries where this concept
> exists ? It seems that germans decided that it is now a populated place
> where it was clearly specified as unpopulated in the past:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:place%3Dlocality&oldid=65610
> Sorry if I missed the discussion/decision about this important point, I
> didn't subscribe to all country specific mailing list.
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place :
> - "Places that have a specific name, but do not necessarily have any
> geographic feature centre". (population = 0). Yeap, very clear, isn't it ?
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
> - "An unpopulated, named place." which is the original definition
>
> place=isolated_dwelling:
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place:
> - "the smallest kind of human settlement" (population = not more than 2
> households). Okay, why not. I'm not against new tags, I'm against
> ambiguities.
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
> - missing
>
> place=farm
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place:
> - "A distinct identified farm at the node so tagged. In some countries the
> official type of a residential area smaller than a hamlet". Oh dear. But is
> it not "isolated_dwelling" now for "residential area smaller than a hamlet"
> ?
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm
> - "A farm can be a part of a human settlement (place<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>
> =* like hamlet, village, town) that have buildings and land for farming,
> usually a few central buildings around a landuse<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>
> =farmyard <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard> with
> landuse <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>=farmland<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland>or
> landuse <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>=meadow<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow>surrounding it. If the farm is not part of a bigger settlement (regarding
> structure not administration) and the farm and comprising settlement itself
> is not bigger than defined for isolated dwellings in your country, use
> place <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=isolated_dwelling<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Disolated_dwelling>.".
> Ah okay. If it is isolated, use "isolated_dwelling". And if it is part of an
> hamlet, village, town, why the hell are you using a key place to name the
> landuse=farmland ? why not simply the tag "name=*" ? If it is a manufactory,
> not a farm, do you tag it landuse=industrial + place=manufactory ? I don't
> understand. It's probably too simple.
>
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
> - missing. To avoid advertising ? ;-)
>
> Pieren
>
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