[OSM-talk] We need urgently a clarification between place locality, farm and isolated_dwelling

[Pieren]

On the wiki, we need to clarify some places definitions after some recent
(or not) changes:

place=locality:

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality:
- "place tags are for either populated areas, or for larger areas of County
sized or bigger" (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality). What is a
county ? Is it not a definition to give only in countries where this concept
exists ? It seems that germans decided that it is now a populated place
where it was clearly specified as unpopulated in the past:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:place%3Dlocality&oldid=65610
Sorry if I missed the discussion/decision about this important point, I
didn't subscribe to all country specific mailing list.

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place :
- "Places that have a specific name, but do not necessarily have any
geographic feature centre". (population = 0). Yeap, very clear, isn't it ?

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
- "An unpopulated, named place." which is the original definition

place=isolated_dwelling:

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place:
- "the smallest kind of human settlement" (population = not more than 2
households). Okay, why not. I'm not against new tags, I'm against
ambiguities.

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
- missing

place=farm

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place:
- "A distinct identified farm at the node so tagged. In some countries the
official type of a residential area smaller than a hamlet". Oh dear. But is
it not "isolated_dwelling" now for "residential area smaller than a hamlet"
?

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm
- "A farm can be a part of a human settlement
(place<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>
=* like hamlet, village, town) that have buildings and land for farming,
usually a few central buildings around a
landuse<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>
=farmyard <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard> with
landuse <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>=farmland<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland>or
landuse <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse>=meadow<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow>surrounding
it. If the farm is not part of a bigger settlement (regarding
structure not administration) and the farm and comprising settlement itself
is not bigger than defined for isolated dwellings in your country, use
place<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>
=isolated_dwelling<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Disolated_dwelling>.".
Ah okay. If it is isolated, use "isolated_dwelling". And if it is part of an
hamlet, village, town, why the hell are you using a key place to name the
landuse=farmland ? why not simply the tag "name=*" ? If it is a manufactory,
not a farm, do you tag it landuse=industrial + place=manufactory ? I don't
understand. It's probably too simple.

at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places
- missing. To avoid advertising ? ;-)

Pieren
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