[OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

Oleg gelosi at gmail.com
Fri Jul 8 15:29:29 BST 2011


Floris, thanks for feedback!

We have to fix &amp ;) then - we can't deal with autocorrection on phone,
but we can reduce them by simplyfying tagging process (still thinking on
HOW). Location fix - unfortunately we don't have any chances to automate it,
guess adding a layer to MapDust can help with it - if any ideas here - would
be cool to hear.

--
RO

2011/7/8 Floris Looijesteijn <osm at floris.nu>

> I've added 5 POI's in Haarlem today. It's a fun way but it doesn't
> really work for me.
> Maybe it's my phone, a 2 year old HTC Magic...
>
> The 5 POI's I added were next to each other, about the same distance
> between them.
> The first POI was uploaded right on the location I added it.
> The next 2 were both on the same spot, about 50m wrong.
> The fourth was hundreds of meters off, in a different part of the city.
> The fifth wasn't recognized because I started my tweet with #osmit
> instead of ending with that.
>
> Some other remarks:
> - & turns into &
> - My phone's gps sucks :)
> - #damnyouautocorrection
> - Still a cool app but not for me
>
> Greetings,
> Floris Looijesteijn
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Oleg <gelosi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > By the way, we'v reduced permissions for twitter - just like it should
> be!
> > Thanks for mentioning that!
> > --
> > RO
> >
> > 2011/7/6 Oleg <gelosi at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Cool thing around pictures, as most of twitter clients can upload them
> >> themselves and make a short links in the posts, so, we can try to use
> that
> >> links and put them into nodes as well!
> >> Also @mentioning - we're adding both ways now - so, you'll be able to
> use
> >> @osm_it - to hide your mappings from your followers, or #osmit - as it
> works
> >> now...
> >> Next, a MapDust - have to get in more with service, as it makes sense to
> >> use it with osmitter.
> >> For now, when you're adding a POI, you'll get a @reply from osmitter
> with
> >> link to the node on the OSM, like
> >> this: http://twitter.com/#!/osm_it/status/87777704488865792 - so, you
> can
> >> check it on the go.
> >> btw, cool to have this kind of feedback!
> >> --
> >> RO
> >>
> >> 2011/7/5 Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Oleg,
> >>>
> >>> Well you beat me to it :) This is in fact almost exactly what I had in
> >>> mind and what I discussed at WhereCampEU.
> >>> Apart from the comments Martin made, we also discussed using a mention
> >>> instead of a hashtag. This helps to keep the user's followers twitter
> >>> streams free of the osmitter tweets that do not make sense to most
> anyway.
> >>> The rationale here is that a tweet starting with a @mention will - I
> believe
> >>> - only show up in your follower's stream if they also follow that
> account.
> >>> Also, I've been thinking about feedback to the user. Because GPS is
> >>> generally inaccurate in dense urban areas this way of adding things to
> OSM
> >>> will result in quite a number of those things ending up on the next
> block or
> >>> on the wrong side of the street. It would be good if there were some
> way for
> >>> the user to easily review his submissions. This could be done in a
> number of
> >>> ways. Firstly there is the intermediate layer that Martin mentioned. I
> was
> >>> talking to Oliver (Skobbler) about using MapDust for that and that
> makes a
> >>> lot of sense to me. If you choose to go the route you chose and add
> directly
> >>> there should be either something like a queue of twitter submissions on
> the
> >>> osmitter web site that you could pull up to review your submissions, or
> >>> possibly a twitter reply with a link to a mobile site allowing you to
> do
> >>> that. As it is, this system will generate a lot of inaccurately located
> POIs
> >>> – or does your experience show otherwise?
> >>> A last thing that I've been thinking about implementing is a way to add
> >>> links to photos to the POI. Twitter clients on smartphones generally
> have
> >>> tight integration with photo sharing services - take a picture, twitter
> >>> client uploads and inserts link to image page on sharing service. That
> link
> >>> could be added as a tag (url:photo or something?) to the poi.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>> Martijn
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Oleg <gelosi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Martin,
> >>>> Yes, I've talk to Shaun McDonald - he told me about this discussion.
> The
> >>>> sad thing - I was planning to visit wherecamp this summer as well, but
> no
> >>>> luck there ;)
> >>>> Think, correcting posted data is a useful tool, we can do that - as we
> >>>> can keep all the data, we'v parsed.
> >>>> First we want to add is a human-readable tagging - so, you can add
> "fast
> >>>> food italian pizzeria Ololo #osmit", but, still thinking on formatting
> and
> >>>> parsing rules on this case. A good example is another place, named
> "French
> >>>> Fries", for instance...
> >>>> If there's any idea on parsing both of the cases correctly... and yes
> =
> >>>> we'll update that example!
> >>>> --
> >>>> RO
> >>>> 2011/7/5 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While I think that this is generally not a bad idea, I'd still expect
> >>>>> that the data has not the average positional quality OSM usually has.
> >>>>> Martijn van Exel gave a talk at Wherecamp-EU in Berlin about the same
> >>>>> topic (twitter to osm) and in the following discussion the consensus
> >>>>> was towards a intermediate layer where those tweets would be stored,
> >>>>> so that you can do reasonable verification at home with the comfort
> of
> >>>>> a map and probably some nice aerial fotos in the background to
> >>>>> validate the "raw" data.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also stumbled upon the first tagging examples on your page:
> >>>>> Italian pizzeria
> >>>>> amenity=cafe name=Pizza Ololo cuisine=italian #osmit
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is this really consensus to tag a pizzeria as cafe? There is also
> >>>>> restaurant and fast_food in the amenity value-set.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Martin
> >>>>>
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