[OSM-talk] shortened names

Kev js1982 osm at kevswindells.eu
Wed Jul 27 07:27:18 BST 2011

If we are using pronunciations as a guide shall I go and rename "Southwell"
as "Suval" and Leicester as "Lesta"?

On Wednesday, 27 July 2011, andrzej zaborowski <balrogg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27 July 2011 04:04, Stephen Hope <slhope at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 27 July 2011 10:40, Ed Loach <ed at loach.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Yes, it is called Saint Albans, written St Albans, except where some
>>> websites seem to have expanded it.
>>> e.g.
>>> http://www.meteoprog.co.uk/en/weather/SaintAlbans/
>>> http://www.gomapper.com/travel/map-of/saint-albans.html
>>> etc...
>>> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%22saint+albans%22
>>> I personally would be tempted to store the name tag in expanded form
>>> so it is clear what the St abbreviation applies to (I've seen things
>>> like S St N on Google where they've abbreviated South Street North,
>>> for example, which just looks silly). This seems to agree with
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name#Notes
>> Um - no.  If a place wants to be written "St Albans", then that's the
>> name. Just because you pronounce it "Saint Albans" makes no
>> difference.
> I'd say the opposite is true.  If it's pronounced "Saint Albans" then
> that is the name.  The local administration may want to spell it
> however they like and make one way or the other official, but we don't
> care, in the end it's always a product of how people are and have been
> calling the place.  Place names have often been abbreviated in writing
> because there was never any need for consistency across countries and
> continents, much less for machine-readability.  In OSM there is this
> need.
> Cheers
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