[OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Erik Johansson]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Dermot McNally <dermotm at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14 June 2011 05:18, Russ Nelson <nelson at crynwr.com> wrote:
>
>> Nathan was being gracious. You ARE trolling. Stop it.
>
> I like to assume good faith on the lists. I have never for a moment
> doubted the sincerity of your position on the licence change, and I
> demand the same courtesy from you.

The Troll word is used so often around in this community that it's
hard to speak about courtesy. I wouldn't take it personally, it's used
against almost everyone who voice strong opinions against the license
change.


> Most countries and organisations avoid
> the kind of micro-democracy that would have avoided the situation we
> have today in OSM where some people (a minority) complain that they
> are being asked to "vote" (or "pronounce", "decide", "choose" if you
> don't want to call it a vote) on the wrong question and that they
> would prefer to have been asked a different question.

But this is a vital part of deciding stuff, if you are going to have a
vote you have to decide what the vote is about. I go to a lot of
meetings where 100+ people are trying to decide what to do with the
interests of thousands of other people that aren't present, and they
all use a process where the minority can propose changes and have them
voted upon.

In meetings you have a "motion to do something" and then vote about
amendments that are brought up etc.  Read the wikipedia article on
this closely if you are unsure what I mean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_(democracy). Since this was
missing I think the democratic foundation of the license change is
minimum, maybe there existed/exists a great support for it.

I don't understand how anyone can think that the results from all
these "polls" are valid democratic votes.