[OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

[Simon Poole]

While I would (naturally) support developing better multiple-language 
support
for maps rendered from our data, I am very very opposed to providing every-
body with their comfy "virtual" world view.

OSM is about mapping facts, and the fact is that disputed areas are 
-disputed-.
Finding a clear scheme for tagging such situations would be far more the 
point
than supporting make-believe worlds.


Simon


Am 08.10.2011 12:38, schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
> I believe that mediation in this particular problem is impossible.
> Ranking based on population numbers will never be recognized by
> both parties, as religious inspired politics will never respect a status
> quo nor a history.
> Once the Jerusalem problem is solved the dispute will continue
> on other cities / religions / places in the area.
>
> I think that OSM should develop an official policy towards disputed
> - areas,
> - regions,
> - cities
> - languages
>
> and some effort need to be made to suit the rendering based
> upon the viewers preferences.
>
> As long as there are disputes on a geographic properties
> of a specific area, OSM should allow for a number of versions
> doing justice to each recognized political or religious view.
>
> So in case of Jerusalem we should be able to present
> a Israel map with Hebrew names as primary to the Israelis.
>
> And at the same time present a different map (possibly with
> other borders) to the Palestinians.
>
> More general, we should be able to present a map in each local
> language, taking care on all these regional problems
>
> (take for example Lille and Rijssel, the same town in Flemish and
> in French)
>
> Our planet is full of disputes, differences like that and we should abandon
> the idea of one map fits all.
>
> As a start we may stop render names when the last change is more recent then
> say 4 weeks. This will effectively stop rendering based
> disputes.
>
> Later we may switch to localized maps but I believe that is a big effort
> as the text layer should be presented separately from the map.
>
> Even later we should be able to define regions where more than one
> version of the map exists, any editing user making a selection on
> what version he will be editing on.
>
> So Mohammed will edit the Palestina version of Jerusalem, and
> Moshe may edit a Jewesh version of Jerusalem, including different
> names, borders (later) and (even later) landuse.
>
> It would make OSM an even better map, able to represent the views
> of all people of this world.
>
> And it would help creating routeplanners for israel
> for example where some areas are nogo for israeli, but not
> for tourists or palestinines (and the other way around of course).
>
> And we Europeans do not have to learn Hebrew  before being
> able to use the Israel map.
>
>
>
>
> Gert Gremmen
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