[OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.

[Paul Norman]

In a case like that, I would expect that the geometry would then be the
issue and retracing would be required. I suppose a potential workflow would
be to look at an objects, see what tags are CT-clean and then trace a new
object with those tags.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:kate at maploser.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:18 PM
> To: Paul Norman
> Cc: openstreetmap; nicolas chavent
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
> 
> This is going to require some analysis, but I believe all of the
> decliners were tracing from satellite imagery.  So the specific tags
> added would have been detailed information about those objects.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
> > If it wasn't you surveying it, you'd have to verify that nothing
> > remained of the decliners contributions. Just because someone surveyed
> > something doesn't mean that they surveyed all the v1 data (for an
> > example where v1 was from a
> > decliner)
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kate Chapman [mailto:kate at maploser.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:18 PM
> >> To: Michael Collinson
> >> Cc: hot; OSM Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian
> exceptions.
> >>
> >> Much of this data has already been ground surveyed.  Would it be
> >> possible based on the source tags to mark things odbl=clean?
> >>
> >> I think that would take care of a large majority of the problem,
> >> since there has been so much on the ground work since the earthquake.
> >>
> >> -Kate
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi All,
> >> >>
> >> >> Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely
> >> >> post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this
> >> >> issue would be appropriate.
> >> >>
> >> >> There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the
> >> >> possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any
> >> >> data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such
> >> >> data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts.
> >> >> Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti,
> >> >> this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are
> >> >> on the ground in these places and struggling to remap.
> >> >>
> >> >> The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these
> >> >> was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users
> >> >> data within a BB being retained.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any thoughts, comments, or points?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Larry O'Neill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Larry,
> >> >
> >> > It looks as though there are no specific licensing issues as
> >> > regards base data/photos used in Haiti [1]. The issue appears to be
> >> > confined to mappers who have been active in the area but have
> >> > either declined or not yet responded to requests to re-license? [2]
> >> >
> >> > We will need their individual permissions, the simplest way being
> >> > just to ask them to respond to the new terms.  Friendly, courteous
> >> > messages coming from individual mappers working in the same area
> >> > have been highly effective in a number of countries. I would expect
> >> > it to be doubly so here. We can then revisit the issue in say, two
> >> > weeks time
> >> and see if anyone is left.
> >> >
> >> > I am immediately going to ask for a Haiti/Dominican Republic link
> >> > to be added to http://odbl.de/ and http://odbl.poole.ch/ Then you
> >> > can just read off the names and status.
> >> >
> >> > Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started.
> >> > Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it:
> >> >
> >> > Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono,
> >> > EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko
> >> > Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre
> >> >
> >> > It is good know their status.  You can do that by feeding them into
> >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/xxxx or seeing if they are on
> >> >
> >> > http://odbl.poole.ch/central-america-20111208-20120201-poly.html
> >> >
> >> > This wiki page can be used to coordinate efforts:
> >> >
> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL
> >> >
> >> > Please do not hesitate to coordinate with us at
> >> > legal at osmfoundation.org . We will do our best to assist.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > License Working Group
> >> >
> >> > [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue (Appears
> >> > to be only Digital Orthophotos)
> >> >
> >> > [2]
> >> > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-71.35913&lat=18.2230
> >> > 9&z
> >> > oom=7&opacity=0.69&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_cle
> >> > an,
> >> > wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_lin
> >> > e_m
> >> > odified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_
> >> > cp,
> >> > wtfe_line_created
> >> >
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