[OSM-talk] Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia
Mike Dupont
jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com
Sat Jan 28 16:57:27 GMT 2012
here is another important source for shkoder, I got this from the city :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79684542/Sistemi-i-Adresave-Bashkia-Shkoder-08-03-10
this is the third time i uploaded it, I dont know why it keeps disappearing.
mike
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Mike Dupont
<jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
> You can contact immap, feel free.
> and some other contributors are :
>
> tpginc.net/gis/albania/albania.php
> http://www.archive.org/details/AgimKompaniAlbaniaFiles
> http://osmopenlayers.blogspot.com/2010/04/agim-komani-data-online.html
>
> GNS http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/
> geonames
>
> and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kosovo_Prishtina_Streets_Tracing
> and some more sources :
> http://www.disasterscharter.org/web/charter/activation_details?p_r_p_1415474252_assetId=ACT-286
> http://www.mapaction.org/map-catalogue/maps.html?deployment_filter=191
> http://www.zki.caf.dlr.de/applications/2010/Albania/181_en.html
> http://www.madmappers.com/htm/Ru500kDVD.htm
>
>
> see also
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AlbanianFloodingCrisisCamp
>
> and http://www.archive.org/details/Prizren_City_Data
>
> and also we used kosovoguide.org and also inyourpocket.com
>
> and maps on mapwarper
> http://warper.geothings.net/users/436/maps
>
> here are some of them :
> http://warper.geothings.net/uploads/2590/original/shkodra_-24.png
> http://warper.geothings.net/uploads/2742/original/swsra9.jpg novo brdo
>
> also we worked on brod, also using the russian maps and other sources.
>
> also we have signatures from this guy for creative commons for shkoder.
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-March/003238.html
>
> mike
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz> wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I read your 23 new ideas at http://fosm.ideascale.com/ and wish you luck
>> with them. I've now read your blog post.
>>
>> Once the license change is over, I am looking forward to engaging more with
>> Creative Commons. In direct talks we had with them last year, they have
>> definitely shifted from their stance that we should not use any SA license
>> for data so I am hopeful that we may be able to achieve CC compatibility in
>> a few years time.
>>
>> On the direct issue of contributions, I'll be happy to take on checking
>> license compatibility. I've considered approaching iMMAP but felt that might
>> be considered rather hostile to you. Can I therefore try and limit asking
>> your help to just three questions:
>>
>> 1) Are you happy if I write to iMMAP and ask their permission to use their
>> data in OSM?
>>
>> 2) Are there any imports from other agencies in your contributions, (I got
>> iMMAP from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kosovo_iMMAP_Import) ?
>>
>> 3) I quite understand and agree that you cannot accept the CTs, (item 4 in
>> your blog). But you also then say below "I am not going to agree to any
>> contributor terms", I guess that means even if we were able to get
>> permission for the imports. If we were able to accurately identify your
>> personal work and/or get the necessary permissions for imports, how could we
>> proceed in a manner that is acceptable to you? Would transfer of
>> contributions, (probably specific change-sets or specific geographic areas),
>> to another account be OK for you?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 28/01/2012 16:23, Mike Dupont wrote:
>>>
>>> Well since you mentioned my name, h4ck3rm1k3
>>>
>>> wanted to point out my blog post :
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Michael%20DuPont/diary/15777
>>>
>>> I do not want to harm the project or the people in Kosovo and Albania
>>> where I personally did much work there.
>>>
>>> And considering that the team there is very healthy and continuing in
>>> Kosovo, I do not see any further personal work of mine being needed in
>>> Kosovo, I am not going to waste any more time or money on Albania, I
>>> do not see *any* chance there to start a community that is
>>> sustainable.
>>>
>>> you can re license *my* personal work, I don't care about that, and
>>> imports, you will have to just review them yourselves.
>>>
>>> dont expect me to be wasting time on understanding your new license
>>> scheme or checking compatibility, and I am not going to agree to any
>>> contributor terms. working on hosting my own changesets in blogposts,
>>> we will talk in some years about creative commons compatibility.
>>>
>>> spent enough time on this license stuff, and wish you all the best of
>>> luck.
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Collinson<mike at ayeltd.biz>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I certainly support your sentiment but I suggest 99% is too high.
>>>>
>>>> We have, in rounded figures, 1,200M nodes in the database. [1]
>>>>
>>>> Here are just three decliners [2] who definitely are not going to agree
>>>> in
>>>> any form, have very high proportions of imported nodes and which WTFE is
>>>> also certainly marking all or most for removal. I've also added in old
>>>> anon
>>>> contributions as we've probably already reached all those we can.
>>>>
>>>> argath 7 025 025 100% POI import as far as I am aware
>>>> ABS2006 2 498 993 100% boundary import
>>>> anon edits 560 467 (may be too high as some previous anon
>>>> mappers have actually agreed)
>>>> h4ck3rm1k3 348 274 High but unknown import proportion in a
>>>> geographically concentrated area
>>>>
>>>> This gives 10.4M nodes or roughly 0.86% of the entire database. Add in a
>>>> few
>>>> other smaller and harder to quantise examples from around the world and
>>>> that
>>>> is the one percent right there.
>>>>
>>>> Caveat: I have done nodes because it is easiest, an analysis of highway
>>>> ways
>>>> might be better for the standard you are suggesting.
>>>>
>>>> There is a trade-off. The longer we leave it the more unproductive
>>>> over-editing occurs and many folks in problematic areas are not going to
>>>> map
>>>> what appears to be already there.
>>>>
>>>> I'd certainly like to see these examples removed right now if the
>>>> respective
>>>> communities agree. But that is only rational if we have consensus that
>>>> critical mass is here.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats
>>>>
>>>> [2] http://odbl.de/world.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27/01/2012 21:19, LM_1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have higher standard for critical mass, definitely over 99 %.
>>>>> There should be a prolonged (at least one year) period where it is
>>>>> known what data can remain and what cannot to allow seamless switch.
>>>>> Having two months to the planned switch and still not knowing the
>>>>> exact algorithm to determine what stays seems just stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lukas (LM_1)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/1/27 Michael Collinson<mike at ayeltd.biz>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [cut]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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