[OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

Steven Johnson sejohnson8 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 9 22:43:18 GMT 2012 

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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Steven Johnson <sejohnson8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> A couple thoughts...
>
> With respect to best practices, I presented some ideas for US mappers at
> this year's State of the Map on improving address tags[1]. Feel free to
> review my presentation and comment (here or on the Talk-US list). I still
> intend to put together an RFC and solicit more feedback from the community.
>
> There are also pointers to more resources on the OSM wiki under Address
> Improvement[2]. I'd invite you to contribute to the page and note any
> peculiarities with addresses in your region.
>
> Best,
>
> -- SEJ
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> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
> "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
> -- Einstein
>
> [1] http://www.slideshare.net/geomantic/so-tm-121014
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM, <talk-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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>>    1. How to improve addressing? (Jeff Meyer)
>>    2. Re: How to improve addressing? (Martijn van Exel)
>>    3. Re: How to improve addressing? (Svavar Kjarrval)
>>    4. Re: How to improve addressing? (deng dongpo)
>>    5. Re: How to improve addressing? (Philip Barnes)
>>    6. Re: How to improve addressing? (Toby Murray)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:34:38 -0800
>> From: Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org>
>> To: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
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>> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
>> OSM more usable, etc.
>>
>> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> quality quickly & efficiently?
>>
>> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
>> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
>> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Meyer
>> Global World History Atlas
>> www.gwhat.org
>> jeff at gwhat.org
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>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:47:54 -0700
>> From: Martijn van Exel <m at rtijn.org>
>> To: Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org>
>> Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk at openstreetmap.org>
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>> Do you have an Android device? You might like KeypadMapper:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper
>>
>> (Have still yet to try it myself! Will install it immediately)
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org> wrote:
>> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
>> making
>> > OSM more usable, etc.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> > quality quickly & efficiently?
>> >
>> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
>> house
>> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should
>> we
>> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff Meyer
>> > Global World History Atlas
>> > www.gwhat.org
>> > jeff at gwhat.org
>> > 206-676-2347
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Martijn van Exel
>> http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ (personal)
>> http://openstreetmap.us/
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:58:42 +0000
>> From: Svavar Kjarrval <svavar at kjarrval.is>
>> To: talk at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
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>> I have good experience with OsmPad (
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad). Although you can't actually
>> draw houses in it, you can mark addresses and it's especially good if
>> you have already drawn the houses.
>>
>> - Svavar Kjarrval
>>
>> On 09/11/12 19:34, Jeff Meyer wrote:
>> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
>> > making OSM more usable, etc.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM
>> > addressing quality quickly & efficiently?
>> >
>> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
>> > house numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any
>> > significant impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger
>> > scale. Should we be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max /
>> > min for each block?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff Meyer
>> > Global World History Atlas
>> > www.gwhat.org <http://www.gwhat.org>
>> > jeff at gwhat.org <mailto:jeff at gwhat.org>
>> > 206-676-2347
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:08:35 -0800
>> From: deng dongpo <dongpo.deng at gmail.com>
>> To: Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org>
>> Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk at openstreetmap.org>, OSM
>>         Taiwan <talk-tw at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
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>> Hi Jeff and all
>> I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for
>> making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM
>> GeoCrowd. http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/
>>
>> Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how
>> many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is
>> because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send
>> this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Taiwan/2012_Competition
>>
>> Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted
>> to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is
>> successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give
>> address data.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dongpo
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org> wrote:
>> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
>> making
>> > OSM more usable, etc.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> > quality quickly & efficiently?
>> >
>> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
>> house
>> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should
>> we
>> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff Meyer
>> > Global World History Atlas
>> > www.gwhat.org
>> > jeff at gwhat.org
>> > 206-676-2347
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > talk at openstreetmap.org
>> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 21:49:47 +0000
>> From: Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
>> To: "OSM Talk" <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>> Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk at openstreetmap.org>, OSM
>>         Taiwan <talk-tw at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
>> Message-ID: <3w79g.md8pza.1di2p32-qmf at auth.smtp.oneandone.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>  I think you mean t-shirt, made me smile anyway.
>>
>>  Phil
>> --
>>
>> Sent from my Nokia N9
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/11/2012 20:08 deng dongpo wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeff and all
>> I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for
>> making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM
>> GeoCrowd. http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/
>>
>>
>> Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how
>> many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is
>> because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send
>> this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest.
>>
>> http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/
>>
>>
>> Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted
>> to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is
>> successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give
>> address data.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dongpo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org> wrote:
>> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
>> making
>> > OSM more usable, etc.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> > quality quickly & efficiently?
>> >
>> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
>> house
>> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should
>> we
>> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff Meyer
>> > Global World History Atlas
>> > www.gwhat.org
>> > jeff at gwhat.org
>> > 206-676-2347
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > jeff at gwhat.org
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>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:22:43 -0600
>> From: Toby Murray <toby.murray at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
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>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org> wrote:
>> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
>> making
>> > OSM more usable, etc.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> > quality quickly & efficiently?
>> >
>> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
>> house
>> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should
>> we
>> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>>
>> Doing anything in OSM as a single user in an inefficient way of making
>> a significant impact. This is why we call it "crowd" sourcing :)
>>
>> Yes, you can use an address interpolation[1] to do a whole block at a
>> time. Here in the US I kind of feel like this is a waste of time
>> though since Nominatim already pulls in what is essentially an address
>> interpolation from external TIGER data. So if I'm going to add address
>> information I might as well make it better than what is already
>> available. But in places without such external data I think address
>> interpolations are a decent way of getting address coverage done
>> quickly. Although I'm not sure if anything besides Nominatim really
>> supports interpolations...
>>
>> Beyond that, I think it comes down to the same thing it always comes
>> down to. More mappers. Specifically for address data I think there is
>> a lot we can do to simplify the process. For example, if all I want to
>> do is add an address and maybe some contact info to a POI that already
>> exists, why do I need a full featured geospatial data editor like P2
>> or JOSM? Why not a simple web form? I think as OSM gets into more
>> maintenance of existing data as opposed to adding of new data, simple
>> tag editors will be a good thing anyway.
>>
>> Oh and KeypadMapper is definitely a winner. I was able to collect
>> about 120 residential addresses on a single stroll around my
>> neighborhood. It took me longer to process the data once I got home
>> but that's because I ended up drawing outlines of each house as I
>> placed the address node from the KeypadMapper file.
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Using_interpolation
>>
>> Toby
>>
>>
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