[OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

[Alex Barth]

On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Christian Quest <cquest at openstreetmap.fr> wrote:

> So far, the only explanation about the usesulness of the dedicated
> account is linked to tracking imported data or I missed something on
> the wiki.

Same here, I'd like to understand this better. Conceptually it seems that tracking a source on the changeset is much better as it accomodates for many users importing from the same source while not tag spamming on nodes and ways.

> 
> If this is the goal, why small changesets of imported data may not
> require a dedicated account ?
> This data doesn't need to be tracked ?
> 
> I'm also really wondering on the tracking of the data thru dedicated
> accounts for such highly split imports (as a reminder, the cadastre
> data is split with 36000+ datasets, one for each village/town/city in
> France).
> On how many accounts will the cadastre data will have to be tracked ?
> Is there a list of "cadastre import dedicated accounts" somewhere ?
> Maybe a required naming of the account names ?
> 
> The more interesting proposal I've seen so far were the "bot/import"
> tags. It really brings a benefit for the tracking and makes the
> dedicated account requirement outdated.
> 
> 
> I also asked some time ago if it was necessary to have a dedicated
> account for each source of imported data ?
> If tracking is the goal, it seems logical.
> 
> If so, I need one dedicated account for:
> - cadastre (administrative boundaries + buildings)
> - IGN (geodesic points + GEOFLA place=*)
> - schools
> - RATP (paris public transport, subway station, and we expect 12000+
> bus_stops should be available sooner or later)
> - SNCF (railway stations and level crossings)
> - La Poste (post office locations)
> - Nantes metropole adresses (400.000 imported street by street after
> crowdsourced reviewing)
> and so on... because that's today's situation with more and more
> useful datasets to bring into OSM.
> 
> 
> Wake up ! opendata is here, now, and the more (useful) datasets we
> find the more it is clear that a mass import is not possible.
> We've learned from CLC and Tiger imports... and the map is not blank
> as it used to be.
> 
> 
> Here is my proposal... have separate guidelines for mass imports and
> for split/shared/crowdsource imports.
> 
> When a full dataset is imported more or less "as is" by a very small
> number of contributors (possibly just one) in such case, YES, a
> dedicated account is a real benefit. With ONE dedicated account, you
> track all the imported data.
> 
> When the dataset needs to be reworked manually, integrated sometime by
> reviewing each object one by one, or sometime group by group, where
> the works is share by a lot of contributors, in such cases frankly I
> don't see the benefits of the dedicated account(s). The bot/import tag
> on changesets is much more efficient.
> 
> Christian
> 
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