[OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

[Frank Steggink]

On 18-10-2012 20:52, Christian Quest wrote:
> So far, the only explanation about the usesulness of the dedicated
> account is linked to tracking imported data or I missed something on
> the wiki.
>
> If this is the goal, why small changesets of imported data may not
> require a dedicated account ?
> This data doesn't need to be tracked ?
>
> I'm also really wondering on the tracking of the data thru dedicated
> accounts for such highly split imports (as a reminder, the cadastre
> data is split with 36000+ datasets, one for each village/town/city in
> France).
> On how many accounts will the cadastre data will have to be tracked ?
> Is there a list of "cadastre import dedicated accounts" somewhere ?
> Maybe a required naming of the account names ?
>
> The more interesting proposal I've seen so far were the "bot/import"
> tags. It really brings a benefit for the tracking and makes the
> dedicated account requirement outdated.
>
>
> I also asked some time ago if it was necessary to have a dedicated
> account for each source of imported data ?
> If tracking is the goal, it seems logical.
>
> If so, I need one dedicated account for:
> - cadastre (administrative boundaries + buildings)
> - IGN (geodesic points + GEOFLA place=*)
> - schools
> - RATP (paris public transport, subway station, and we expect 12000+
> bus_stops should be available sooner or later)
> - SNCF (railway stations and level crossings)
> - La Poste (post office locations)
> - Nantes metropole adresses (400.000 imported street by street after
> crowdsourced reviewing)
> and so on... because that's today's situation with more and more
> useful datasets to bring into OSM.
>
>
> Wake up ! opendata is here, now, and the more (useful) datasets we
> find the more it is clear that a mass import is not possible.
> We've learned from CLC and Tiger imports... and the map is not blank
> as it used to be.
>
>
> Here is my proposal... have separate guidelines for mass imports and
> for split/shared/crowdsource imports.
>
> When a full dataset is imported more or less "as is" by a very small
> number of contributors (possibly just one) in such case, YES, a
> dedicated account is a real benefit. With ONE dedicated account, you
> track all the imported data.
>
> When the dataset needs to be reworked manually, integrated sometime by
> reviewing each object one by one, or sometime group by group, where
> the works is share by a lot of contributors, in such cases frankly I
> don't see the benefits of the dedicated account(s). The bot/import tag
> on changesets is much more efficient.
>
> Christian
>
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Does nobody know about the -Djosm.home=<dir> parameter you can pass to 
JOSM when starting up? It can be put easily in a shortcut. I've used it 
all the time during imports. When doing "integration" you only need to 
download the data in another JOSM instance though, but one is 
downloading data all the time when working on OSM.

I find it convenient to have separate accounts, so I can distinguish my 
survey/tracing work from my import work, and the different imports from 
each other. It is also good as a safeguard when data turns out to be 
non-compliant with the OSM license. The requirement to have different 
e-mail accounts is strange and unnecessary, especially if we encourage 
users to use different accounts for imports.

As for having a multitude of accounts, I see no problem with abandoning 
them once the import is complete.

This issue gets way too overblown.

Frank