[OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)
Eric Marsden
eric.marsden at free.fr
Thu Oct 18 21:30:20 BST 2012
>>>>> "fr" == Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> writes:
fr> If I do that, would that change the attitude towards the "separate
fr> account" question, or would it be a a waste of time?
Frederik, you are focussing on the technical ramifications of this
rather narrow "separate account" issue, but in fact, as many of us
have tried to explain multiple times, the real issues are more
fundamental:
- the legitimacy of the OSMF DWG concerning monitoring of imports (and
blocking accounts on this basis) is unclear. The DWG mandate, as per
its web page on OSMF's web site, does not include monitoring
imports. I have seen no deliberation of the OSMF board giving DWG
the right to block contributors (who are clearly neither sabotaging
the data nor making foolish beginners' mistakes) on the basis of its
interpretations of import guidelines (please look up the meaning of
the word "guidelines").
- the process which led the DWG to decide that a separate account
shall be necessary is absolutely opaque. A normal process for such
as change would be to explain your motivations, request feedback
from contributors (for instance via the talk mailing list), then
document the motivations and consequences on the wiki. You have only
documented this "requirement", which seems pulled out of your hat.
- the way in which DWG is undertaking its monitoring+blocking, by
sending aggressive messages to contributors in a language which they
can be presumed not to understand, seemed pretty autistic at first,
and now seems arrogant and bigoted. Indeed, DWG members have continued
in the same way despite repeated attempts to explain the negative
impact that this is having on well-meaning contributors.
- the way in which DWG has ignored proposals from French contributors
to help act as intermediaries in this respect makes it look like you
wish to avoid the constitution of well-structured local/national
communities, when (in my opinion) this is a major challenge for the
next years of Openstreetmap's growth.
Note that none of these issues are specific to the "French community",
but concern OSMF governance, its values, its processes and its degree
of respect for local communities and for contributors. I have seen no
effort to address these issues, but rather significant avoidance of
our numerous messages asking for answers. Please consider changing
that.
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Eric Marsden
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