[OSM-talk] Import guidelines & OSMF/DWG governance

[Christian Quest]

2012/9/18 Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>

> Hi,
>
>
> On 18.09.2012 18:04, Christian Quest wrote:
>
>> Still no answer to my main original questions:
>> - who decided the import guidelines ?
>>
>
> It is a policy that has grown gradually. Just like other things in OSM
> have - you'll not find anything about a vote for highway=motorway on the
> Wiki either.
>
>

So who decided the last step to switch from a recommantation about the
dedicated account to a requirement ?
Just Richard who edited the wiki page ?



>
>  - who decided to make the dedicated account mandatory ?
>>
>
> We always expected people to set up a dedicated account for large imports
> and just adapted the wording to make that clearer.
>


Who is "we" ? DWG ?

 In the first version of the guideline, there was nothing about a dedicated
account, then it was recommended but absolutely not mandatory, then it
became mandatory... it has not always been required and the wording did not
make things clearer but changed something optional to something mandatory.

I'm still looking for who discussed this and where ? Any minutes ? Archives
?

For me a mandatory rule on which someone bases a block decision must be
something decided publicly and shared with the community, and clearly
published/announced... and none of these has taken place here.



> In another post, you have complained about the fact that the information
> is not straightforward, or not easy to find. However, I wish to repeat that
> nobody went to the offending user saying "you didn't read the policy, so we
> have blocked you and we'll revert your edits". The user was only blocked
> after being made aware of the policy and then continuing to ignore it. So
> this is not an issue of an user having difficulties in finding the
> applicable policy.
>
> As a DWG member, I don't expect subservience and I don't run around with
> guns blazing. But if I tell someone not to do something and they simply
> ignore me then I will block them in order to be listened to. If the user
> wants to discuss something with me that's fine but please discuss first,
> import later.
>
> How would you *like* import guidelines to be decided? Do you have any
> workable concept for that? Because I would really be interested.
>
>
I would definitely like them to be discussed prior to be changed on the
wiki and used to block users.

The "talk" on the wiki does not explain the change, and up to now nobody
has been able to explain the process that lead to something optional
becoming mandatory.

I didn't know about this change until I re-read the wiki page after Marc
being blocked. I would not be surprised he was not aware of the now
mandatory account that was optional for so long in the guidelines.


BTW, still applying to join DWG to deal with issues in France...

-- 
Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France -
http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest<http://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest>
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